When is it going to stop
- Thread starter Kinnakeet
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Hmm..very interesting question.
jrt_ms1995
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Do we believe he'll even be aware of a change?
zar
Theist
I don’t think so. I can’t see how the midterms are going to impact much besides giving us further breathing room to stop liberal craziness. Joe Machain pretty much saved the cake for everyone from allowing democrats to pass much into law through congress
Congress is designed to be gridlocked, they can have majorities but not enough to pass bills, and Biden can veto those bills even if they do.
He will continue to do what he can do with executive powers but most of that stuff is already done. There might be more compromises on budgets. Budget reconciliation is big because you can pass it with 51 votes once a year but without the presidency I’m not sure anything useful would be accomplished. However democrats will be prevented from doing whatever they want with it at least.
This opens up the false narrative that comes up every other 2 years for Biden and democrats in 2024 that republicans have control and blocked him, have done nothing with the power, or are responsible for the mess he created.
Roberta
OLD WISE ONE
BFD!!
WingsOfGold
Well-Known Member
Not a chance.
black dog
Free America
Hopefully with that, both houses will reverse all the orders biden has signed...
Question is why dont they they to do it now???
LightRoasted
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It is extremely easy to not see nefarious things/activities that are in plain site in the hustle and bustle of everyday life. Especially when seen under cover of everyday normal construction wear and plausible explanations of activity. But, nice try.
Why am I not surprised that you are one of those too?
LightRoasted
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Well, when my eyes see three buildings collapse into their own footprints, when such an event has never occurred before, I question the "official" reason of what I am told has happened. Your shoulders must be getting sore with all that water you carry.Why am I not surprised that you are one of those too?
It's the curse of being a mechanical engineer who also spent part of his career in explosives and propellant development and testing. We make terrible conspiracy participants.
PeoplesElbow
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I actually showed someone the properties of steel when heated for a period of time compared to the normal state, showed them the publish date (1991) on my Marks Standard Handbook and they still do not believe that steel is weaker at elevated temperatures.It's the curse of being a mechanical engineer who also spent part of his career in explosives and propellant development and testing. We make terrible conspiracy participants.
Hijinx
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They can ask themselves why blacksmiths heat steel or iron before they ca do anything with it.
If it didn't get weak when it is heated why don't blacksmiths work with it cold.
In fact it also acts different cold in fact it gets brittle.
IMO and I am no expert I believe modern methods of construction helped in the falling of the towers.
I know in the 1940's the Empire State building was hit by a plane and it didn't fall, of course the plane was slower and carried less fuel, but still the building held up much better. Stone and Concrete on the outside instead of glass.
If it didn't get weak when it is heated why don't blacksmiths work with it cold.
In fact it also acts different cold in fact it gets brittle.
IMO and I am no expert I believe modern methods of construction helped in the falling of the towers.
I know in the 1940's the Empire State building was hit by a plane and it didn't fall, of course the plane was slower and carried less fuel, but still the building held up much better. Stone and Concrete on the outside instead of glass.
PeoplesElbow
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The empire state bldg was built with a skeleton. The twin towers were built with their support all on the outsides like an exoskeleton. That was very strong, but also had a weakness when the plane took out some of that exoskeleton. The aircraft that hit the empire state building was also quite small too.
LightRoasted
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Which type of structural steel did you heat? Carbon steel? High strength low alloy steel? Corrosion resistant high strength low alloy steel? Quenched and tempered alloy steel? Forged Steel? Was the structural steel you heated covered in inches thick of fireproofing plaster or intumescent, endothermic fireproofing?
PeoplesElbow
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Pretty sure I looked up the type of steel used, it's been almost 20 years though.
Thing about fireproofing is it is poorly named, it is nothing more than insulation and only slows the heat transfer to the structure, long enough for the sprinklers and fire dept to take care of a fire, not to resist a forge setup in a skyscraper.
Clinton was smart enough to change to his advantage. Biden's not in charge and his handlers aren't going to change.
Something has been gnawing at me for a while and here is as good a spot as any.
We’re barraged with the notion that it is not “democracy” if a bill is thwarted while it does get 50% plus one vote. The filibuster yes, but elsewhere as well. That somehow democracy is only happening if a majority however THIN passes something.
It’s democracy when the people choose, and not monarchs or oligarchs or dictators. There’s no requirement for something to be democratic by a tiny sliver of a majority.
I know from decades of experience that if you, say, have to get 25 co-workers to pick a restaurant and the vote goes 13-12 - and it is hotly contested - what you GET is 13 people going and all or some of the others not going. When it’s an issue where there is huge disagreement - single vote majorities aren’t going to resolve anything.
We have a deliberative body so that solutions amenable to both sides can happen. They don’t. We get very little bipartisan bills (and I mean bipartisan in the sense of more than just a few people). And that needn’t be.
We’re barraged with the notion that it is not “democracy” if a bill is thwarted while it does get 50% plus one vote. The filibuster yes, but elsewhere as well. That somehow democracy is only happening if a majority however THIN passes something.
It’s democracy when the people choose, and not monarchs or oligarchs or dictators. There’s no requirement for something to be democratic by a tiny sliver of a majority.
I know from decades of experience that if you, say, have to get 25 co-workers to pick a restaurant and the vote goes 13-12 - and it is hotly contested - what you GET is 13 people going and all or some of the others not going. When it’s an issue where there is huge disagreement - single vote majorities aren’t going to resolve anything.
We have a deliberative body so that solutions amenable to both sides can happen. They don’t. We get very little bipartisan bills (and I mean bipartisan in the sense of more than just a few people). And that needn’t be.
black dog
Free America
Things happen when bar joists are not bolted or welded to the main building steel.
Loads of building out there where this was practiced....
Tons more titanium alloys in modern jets to really get the temps up.
PeoplesElbow
Well-Known Member
Imagine how expensive buildings would be if they had to have heat resistant steel or titanium.
There is some good heat resistant steel out there, but it aint cheap.