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Why is it... That Satan never gets any credit? Geesh!Larry Gude said:
Why God Allows Pain
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Bustem' Down
Give Peas a Chance
Oy, this thread is starting to go downhill in a hurry.
Any illness is the body’s inability to adapt to the surroundings or aliments. This could be caused by the mass amounts of pollution in the environment, prescription drugs taken in this generation or by a relative in a past generation that cause genetic defects, our own emotions, but because we have free will, we can do, build, and be anything we want.
When my mother was pregnant with my sister, she got the flu and was given a drug to keep her from vomiting. Later, it was learned that this drug “might” have caused birth defects in children. Both my sister’s arms were deformed and because her body kept trying to expel the pregnancy, she was born way too early and her lungs were not completely developed. My mom was given a drug to dry her breast milk up and later it was learned that this drug causes breast cancer. My mother battled breast cancer in her 40's and died soon after. My sister died when she was 31 years old from a severe asthma attack. She knew her lungs were not fully developed but she didn't take steps towards better heath sooner to prolong her life, like losing weight. And I say "sooner" because she had dropped 20-30 lbs. the months before she died.
So, whom should I blame? God? Or man?
A recent study on heart attack survivors showed a good majority of them had serious stressors and emotions they were not dealing with at the time of the attack. We all can agree that blood pressure goes up with one is under pressure, but after long term stress, the blood pressure remains high, immune systems decrease (making it difficult to fight illness of any sort), brain damage (due to high levels of cortical), hardening of the heart, etc. etc. etc.
So, whom should I blame? God? Or man?
Why are these girls dead? Because one man couldn’t deal with his emotions, and they ate at him and eventually caused him to trend on the devil’s territory. He took revenge out of that hatred.
So, whom should I blame? God? Or man?
The bible tells us how to deal with just about anything in our lives and it also tells us we will reap what we sow. Where was the seed planted that caused destruction? It may not always be with the victim but I’ll bet you’ll find out where it might have been planted if you look hard enough.
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When my mother was pregnant with my sister, she got the flu and was given a drug to keep her from vomiting. Later, it was learned that this drug “might” have caused birth defects in children. Both my sister’s arms were deformed and because her body kept trying to expel the pregnancy, she was born way too early and her lungs were not completely developed. My mom was given a drug to dry her breast milk up and later it was learned that this drug causes breast cancer. My mother battled breast cancer in her 40's and died soon after. My sister died when she was 31 years old from a severe asthma attack. She knew her lungs were not fully developed but she didn't take steps towards better heath sooner to prolong her life, like losing weight. And I say "sooner" because she had dropped 20-30 lbs. the months before she died.
So, whom should I blame? God? Or man?
A recent study on heart attack survivors showed a good majority of them had serious stressors and emotions they were not dealing with at the time of the attack. We all can agree that blood pressure goes up with one is under pressure, but after long term stress, the blood pressure remains high, immune systems decrease (making it difficult to fight illness of any sort), brain damage (due to high levels of cortical), hardening of the heart, etc. etc. etc.
So, whom should I blame? God? Or man?
Why are these girls dead? Because one man couldn’t deal with his emotions, and they ate at him and eventually caused him to trend on the devil’s territory. He took revenge out of that hatred.
So, whom should I blame? God? Or man?
The bible tells us how to deal with just about anything in our lives and it also tells us we will reap what we sow. Where was the seed planted that caused destruction? It may not always be with the victim but I’ll bet you’ll find out where it might have been planted if you look hard enough.
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itsbob
I bowl overhand
Look at the healines..crabcake said:Are you suggesting Satan made those girls do something to deserve being shot in their thinking caps?
Depending on who you ask.. the Imam in Baghdad, or the looney Baptist minister at yesterdays military funeral with the sign "God hates fags"..
I don't believe it, but they would tell you, they were killed because they weren't one of "them".
Larry Gude
Strung Out
As I understand it...
...this guy assassinating these children would be the work of the devil, yes?
Kain99 said:
...this guy assassinating these children would be the work of the devil, yes?
Larry Gude
Strung Out
I get it!
Devil.
Hell. South of Heaven.
Downhill.
Bustem' Down said:
Devil.
Hell. South of Heaven.
Downhill.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
Oy?
...OY!?
Bustem' Down said:
...OY!?
Bustem' Down
Give Peas a Chance
You like that huh?Larry Gude said:...OY!?
Larry Gude
Strung Out
Blame...
...what's with the blame? I'm ALL for faith if it helps people cope, be happy, get a 100% on their math test. I see much good in religion and have ZERO interest in converting anyone to my views, which I have not expressed in much detail at all, on purpose.
I appreciate you sharing your thoughts and faith and I hope I'm not coming off as condescending or too much of a smart azz. I hope you're enjoying me sharing back. In that vein, the concept that these children reaped what they sowed is a damn good reason for faith because only through faith, believing, does the unbelievable make any sense at all.
Pandora said:
...what's with the blame? I'm ALL for faith if it helps people cope, be happy, get a 100% on their math test. I see much good in religion and have ZERO interest in converting anyone to my views, which I have not expressed in much detail at all, on purpose.
I appreciate you sharing your thoughts and faith and I hope I'm not coming off as condescending or too much of a smart azz. I hope you're enjoying me sharing back. In that vein, the concept that these children reaped what they sowed is a damn good reason for faith because only through faith, believing, does the unbelievable make any sense at all.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
Just let him...
...have a bad game...
crabcake said:See, you have faith even without realizing it.
...have a bad game...
Larry Gude said:
You don't sound too condescending at all, somewhere in the middle and I only mentioned it because I see the doubt. :shrug:
I don't think I got my idea across very well if that is what you made of it.
I think we as a society have a tendency to reap what we sow AND what others sow. We cannot live in a protected bubble. The Amish tried and found that even they cannot be protected from the bad seeds out in society. They will just walk on in and invade their life. Hatred, anger and in inability to rationally cope with one’s emotions was already sown in the shooter somewhere along the line and the victims suffered at the hands of what somebody else sowed.
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Mikeinsmd said:I'm still at a loss as to what these lil girls did to deserve that.
I never said they deserved to die.
Read my post just above yours. How do you know that the unkempt, dirty, long-haired, stinky person in the story is or isn't a product of his own doing?
If he was an alcoholic or a drug user that never took the hands extended to him to help, well, he is a product of his own doing, but what if his family had been lined up against a wall and killed? What if a drunk driver killed his family? Would he be a product of his own doing, or would you feel more heartfelt sorrow for him? I still think he is a product of his own doing because he let his emotions run him into the ground and become a miserable display on the street instead of someone who perseveres above the hardships of life.
This original story in post #1 comes down to attitude. Some people chose not to believe in God because they cannot see him, whereas Christians don’t believe that at all. We may not see him but we feel him in our souls and our souls affect our attitudes, our emotions, our actions and yet, even as tragic as this murder of these Amish girls, the fact remains that they are not mad at God for it. They do not blame him, and they have even said they forgive the shooter who took their children away. Why? Because they KNOW they must forgive for their own good. Having faith is for the good and the only reason a person would stick their nose at it would be because they, themselves, don’t know what it is like to have it.
Penn
Dancing Up A Storm
Just got back from church, thinking all morning about what has been kicked around here in this thread, and it occurred to me that we're all trying to get at - is an understanding of how God works, His rationale, His reasoning.
I got news for ya: He's God and we're not!
We are attempting to reason out what happens, or doesn't happen to people in our lives, what we see on the news, or read about elsewhere.
Trying to use our - ahem - educated minds, in an attempt to explain how God does His work, seems to me like a 5 month old infant doing his or her best to compete with a world class chessmaster.
Some of you have expressed the thought that it all depends upon your faith; ie., either you have it or you don't. I agree wholeheartedly with you.
Another said much to the fact that God could show you a hundred or so miracles, and to some, they would only be everyday happenings, or events to them.
There, my rant is over. (and yes, I do feel better)
I got news for ya: He's God and we're not!
We are attempting to reason out what happens, or doesn't happen to people in our lives, what we see on the news, or read about elsewhere.
Trying to use our - ahem - educated minds, in an attempt to explain how God does His work, seems to me like a 5 month old infant doing his or her best to compete with a world class chessmaster.
Some of you have expressed the thought that it all depends upon your faith; ie., either you have it or you don't. I agree wholeheartedly with you.
Another said much to the fact that God could show you a hundred or so miracles, and to some, they would only be everyday happenings, or events to them.
There, my rant is over. (and yes, I do feel better)
crabcake
But wait, there's more...
Penn said:If there are any unbelievers left out there:
The Giants beat the 'Skins 19 - 3!
Yes folks, there IS a God!! No doubt about it!
I had faith all along that the skins would lose. :shrug:
And I have faith that the cowboys are gonna stomp the E-girls here shortly.
