AK-74me
"Typical White Person"
...only makes sense. When someone goes on a drunken rampage we don't start blaming Bacardi and the bar tender. At least not yet.
Ha, read that motorcycle accident thread?
There are some here that would like to.
Woman caught after 32 years in hiding.
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Ha, read that motorcycle accident thread?
There are some here that would like to.
C
CalvertNewbie
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Or perhaps the message to the many dumbazz drug dealers out there will be....oh let's just break the law and run instead of paying for our mistakes. Instead of teaching her children that they need to be responsible for their actions, she's taught them that it's ok to run and lead a life of lies. Not a very valuable lesson. On the surface, she may have seemed like a good mother and wife but dishonesty is not an option in a healthy relationship. Sorry but if I broke the law, I'd expect to eventually be caught and do the time. That's the risk you run. Like I said, in this particular case it seems that she went on to lead a good life, not repeating her mistakes (although how do we know that for sure?). That's the reason I say no actual jail time, but some sort of puishment is warranted here.
Would I want to be judged for everything I did in my teenage years and in my twenties? No, and I don't claim to have been an angel. But I can assure you I was no drug dealer. When you're a dealer, it's not a victimless crime.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
Well...
...by all means. If it's going to make you black and white types feel better; off to do her original sentence and how many years should we add? So that we sent the right message to the children of drug dealers and all.
...by all means. If it's going to make you black and white types feel better; off to do her original sentence and how many years should we add? So that we sent the right message to the children of drug dealers and all.
MMDad
Lem Putt
That's easy. Treat her just like you would any other escaped drug dealer. If that means giving her time served, fine. If it means putting her behind bars for the rest of her life, fine.
Her "extenuating circumstances" that people think makes her deserving of leniency were all built on lies. She is at heart dishonest and unrepentant for her crime. The only thing she is sorry about is finally being caught.
That's not "black and white" it is reading past the "feel sorry for her" touchy-feely junk and looking at the actual facts of the case.
C
CalvertNewbie
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Geez, I don't recall ever saying that she should be sent away for life or hung at the stake for her past. I simply said that there should be some sort of accountibility here. IMO, she should receive probation or better yet...she should be required to do a bunch of community service. That's what I originally recommended. I'm not talking about sending her to some max security prison and throwing away the key.
But do you really think she should just be allowed to walk away after breaking the law & changing her identity for the sole purpose of avoiding the punishment she was sentenced to? I'm glad she went on to change her ways and to lead a productive life, although much of it was based on a lie. Unfortunately, many people don't do that and continue to lead a life of crime. It doesn't excuse the fact that she broke out of a jail and led a dishonest life. When it comes to trust, my opinion is black & white. How do you think her husband and kids feel? And her "family" who she just blew off and had no contact with all these years?
She's not your typical soccer mom.
Christy
b*tch rocket
In a perfect world maybe... The reality is, prison is not a deterrent, it is merely continuing education for the encarcerated to learn how to move up the criminal food chain.
You throw a 19 year old kid in prison for 20 years on a first offense, what do you think that kids prospects of being a productive member of society is when he/she gets released?
I am by no means a touchy feely liberal, but I feel that the prison system is not the answer for the majority of non-violent crimes. Prison should be used to cage up individuals who are a danger to socieity, not a form of punishment for drug users and (non-violent) dealers. All of us would be better served if you actually put these type of offenders to good use with community service projects. It also inhibits petty criminals from becoming hardened criminals. You stick anyone in prison for long enough and the end result is years and years of learning how to be a bigger and better criminal. JMHO. :shrug:
Christy
b*tch rocket
Not to mention that mandatory sentencing is over crowding prisons, which in turn sets the stage to release hard core criminals early because there simply isn't enough room and you can't release the drug addicts who are incarcerated under the three strikes rule due to mandatory time that is required to be served for their offenses. I'd rather live in society with the stoners and crack addicts than I would the rapists and murderers.
pixiegirl
Cleopatra Jones
In a perfect world maybe... The reality is, prison is not a deterrent, it is merely continuing education for the encarcerated to learn how to move up the criminal food chain.
You throw a 19 year old kid in prison for 20 years on a first offense, what do you think that kids prospects of being a productive member of society is when he/she gets released?
I am by no means a touchy feely liberal, but I feel that the prison system is not the answer for the majority of non-violent crimes. Prison should be used to cage up individuals who are a danger to socieity, not a form of punishment for drug users and (non-violent) dealers. All of us would be better served if you actually put these type of offenders to good use with community service projects. It also inhibits petty criminals from becoming hardened criminals. You stick anyone in prison for long enough and the end result is years and years of learning how to be a bigger and better criminal. JMHO. :shrug:
I was watching Lock-Up on NatGeo the other night and saw what was in my opinion the best run prison with the most reasonable warden I'd seen. I'll have to look it up, it started with an "A" and was in LA. Everyone in the prison worked. It wasn't an option; they all had a job most of which were manual labor. The line he said that struck me was something along the lines of "the dept of corrections in it's name itself says that behavior needs to be corrected."
I think this woman should have probation or have to do community service. There is no room for her especially at this stage in her life in a prison. I wouldn't want to be judged on my actions from last week, much less when I was 19 (and that was only 10 years ago for me).
C
CalvertNewbie
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I completely agree with that. In a perfect world, the druggies would go to a rehab center instead of jail/prison. Of course, the money that would take would be absurd and it will probably never happen. I do think some of the sentences for druggies are pretty harsh and there's a reason most cons are repeat offenders - because there's no rehab in jail, only punishment. Again, IMO she should be sentenced to community service, not jail.
C
CalvertNewbie
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Everyone in the prison worked. It wasn't an option; they all had a job most of which were manual labor. The line he said that struck me was something along the lines of "the dept of corrections in it's name itself says that behavior needs to be corrected."
I think this woman should have probation or have to do community service. There is no room for her especially at this stage in her life in a prison. I wouldn't want to be judged on my actions from last week, much less when I was 19 (and that was only 10 years ago for me).
I saw that one too. Great show, they should all work! We also just watched another episode about some prison in Miami-Dade, FL - it was so filthy and unsanitary I can't believe that they got away with housing anyone in there. It's all a money game. All prisons should have rehab services and psych counseling and many other programs but they don't have the funding available.
kom526
They call me ... Sarcasmo
Everyone in the prison worked. It wasn't an option; they all had a job most of which were manual labor. The line he said that struck me was something along the lines of "the dept of corrections in it's name itself says that behavior needs to be corrected."
I think this woman should have probation or have to do community service. There is no room for her especially at this stage in her life in a prison. I wouldn't want to be judged on my actions from last week, much less when I was 19 (and that was only 10 years ago for me).
Angola is the prison.
pixiegirl
Cleopatra Jones
Yeah, that was it. I watch those shows all the time and none have ever really struck me as effective. I was impressed by the operations and the attitude of the warden. I'd be interested in seeing the financial situation of that prison weighed against others. I'd be willing to bet that it's more self sustaining due to the amount of work the prisoners perform. It's not just housing criminals but in a sense making them pay some sort of retribution through their labor. While I think that these men really deserve no luxuries the fact that they are given some incentive to work and behave themselves seems to be effective.
kwillia
n/a
pixiegirl
Cleopatra Jones
But then what would we do for fun...
I said wouldn't want to. Since when has anyone on the forums obeyed my command?
kwillia
n/a
Larry Gude
Strung Out
Yeah!
How about we burn her at the stake? Drown her? Make her go on Oprah? After all, she had the audacity to not accept her sentence and ran away! We can't have this! Sends the wrong message! I bet she's been dealing drugs the whole time!
Burn her! Burn her!
How about we burn her at the stake? Drown her? Make her go on Oprah? After all, she had the audacity to not accept her sentence and ran away! We can't have this! Sends the wrong message! I bet she's been dealing drugs the whole time!
Burn her! Burn her!