Work Release? For Child Molesters???!!!
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It's sad to say but it is another form of revenue for the county. Each individual who gets work release pays for it. Heck if we can let out 50 inmates at 75 bucks a week why not that and they save money on providing lunches and babysitting in the jails.
The whole thing makes me sick.
godsbutterfly
Free to Fly
It's sad to say but it is another form of revenue for the county. Each individual who gets work release pays for it. Heck if we can let out 50 inmates at 75 bucks a week why not that and they save money on providing lunches and babysitting in the jails.
Oh that is just plain twisted. So we are going to sacrifice our innocent children for the sake of a little pocket change? I'd like to kick somebody's butt for this. How many do you reckon it will take before someone cries "Enough?" when really one was too many?
Zero Tolerance - Child Sexual Predators
This is a good point. As Administrative Judge, Abrams probably cares more about the Courthouse budget and moving the docket along than she does about properly administering justice. These families and their children who have been devastated by these child predators must just be collateral damage in her mind.
Why didn't she send the S.O.B. to prison for 6 years, like he should have been? I'm disgusted by the whole thing.
Would you believe this...on another thread
(Sex Offender Exposes Himself While on Work Release - Southern Maryland News, Charles County, Calvert County and St. Mary's County News),
soemone said this:
"Zero tolerance does more damage than good."
This type of thinking is absolutely scary to me. How the heck can zero tolerance for child sexual predators do "more damage than good"?
The predator is put away for a very long time, away from the kids that he preys upon. Society is safer as a whole. The predator becomes the direct or collateral damage (depending on your view), not new, innocent, child victims.
This is a good point. As Administrative Judge, Abrams probably cares more about the Courthouse budget and moving the docket along than she does about properly administering justice. These families and their children who have been devastated by these child predators must just be collateral damage in her mind.
Why didn't she send the S.O.B. to prison for 6 years, like he should have been? I'm disgusted by the whole thing.
Would you believe this...on another thread
(Sex Offender Exposes Himself While on Work Release - Southern Maryland News, Charles County, Calvert County and St. Mary's County News),
soemone said this:
"Zero tolerance does more damage than good."
This type of thinking is absolutely scary to me. How the heck can zero tolerance for child sexual predators do "more damage than good"?
The predator is put away for a very long time, away from the kids that he preys upon. Society is safer as a whole. The predator becomes the direct or collateral damage (depending on your view), not new, innocent, child victims.
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Special_K44
Guest
Karen Abrams needs to get a clue - child molester are not nice people with a problem. They are sick individuals that need to be castrated or kept confined for life. The kid that was trying to kill his parents needs to be put away for a long long time. When he gets out, he will try something again. this is just my opinion not looking for an argument.
child molesters are not nice people
Amen brother. This is a polarizing issue and I am with you 100%. Why would a judge reward someone who has ruined a child's life? Why not pay for the therapy of the victimized child and their mourning family, not the perpetrator who caused all of the pain. I could give a crap less if the molester ever gets treatment, let him get what he deserves in state prison, and never ever let him out. I wish folks knew who Judge Abrams really was before she was voted in. Maybe these "second chance" atrocities would never have occured.
Amen brother. This is a polarizing issue and I am with you 100%. Why would a judge reward someone who has ruined a child's life? Why not pay for the therapy of the victimized child and their mourning family, not the perpetrator who caused all of the pain. I could give a crap less if the molester ever gets treatment, let him get what he deserves in state prison, and never ever let him out. I wish folks knew who Judge Abrams really was before she was voted in. Maybe these "second chance" atrocities would never have occured.
I disagree with that. The money needed to pay for the two officers to monitor these guys far outweighs the money gained from releasing these offenders. I am not commenting on the pros or cons of releasing inmates, but I will say that the purpose of doing so is two fold. One, it provides people who have committed crimes to work to either pay their victims or provide for their families. The second part, is usually people are granted work release closer to their release date so we aren't releasing these people out into society without any form of support for themselves. Again, I am not saying if it is right or wrong, but these are the reasons for it rather than some sort of financial gain to the county.It's sad to say but it is another form of revenue for the county. Each individual who gets work release pays for it. Heck if we can let out 50 inmates at 75 bucks a week why not that and they save money on providing lunches and babysitting in the jails.
Judge Abrams & Child Sexual Predators
So why, in your opinion, did Judge Karen H. Abrams grant work release for a guy who should have been doing six years in state prison, but was granted a plea bargain down to three years? Work release in this case was granted almost right off the bat, not at the end of his three year term..
So why, in your opinion, did Judge Karen H. Abrams grant work release for a guy who should have been doing six years in state prison, but was granted a plea bargain down to three years? Work release in this case was granted almost right off the bat, not at the end of his three year term..
You would have to ask judge Abrams that question, I don't know. You obviously have an agenda with the judge and thats fine, it's your agenda though, not mine. I am not offering an opinion as to whether its right or wrong to allow offenders on work release. I merely pointed out it was incorrect that the work release program was some sort of money making scheme for the county as presented by the poster. In all fairness, I will point out though that Judge Abrams is not the only judge in St. Mary's County who has allowed a sex offender to be released on work release.
Actually, the sentencing guidline for this type offense (CJIS 3 3600) calls for a 10 year sentence. Was there something significant in the pre-sentencing investigation to cause the lighter sentence?
deflection
But she is the judge who granted work release for these 2 different child sex offenders. Both of these child sex offenders committed atrocious acts against children while on that work release. She is responsible for the actions that she had control over in this terrible sequence of events, which was the granting of the work release. She also did not have to grant the decreasing of this offender's sentence by such a large amount. I'm sure that Judge Abrams appreciates the attempted deflection off of her onto the other judges, I'm just not sure that the other judges appreciate it quite so much.
But she is the judge who granted work release for these 2 different child sex offenders. Both of these child sex offenders committed atrocious acts against children while on that work release. She is responsible for the actions that she had control over in this terrible sequence of events, which was the granting of the work release. She also did not have to grant the decreasing of this offender's sentence by such a large amount. I'm sure that Judge Abrams appreciates the attempted deflection off of her onto the other judges, I'm just not sure that the other judges appreciate it quite so much.
I'm not deflecting anything. I unlike you am being honest and upfront about things. You have an agenda, be honest about it. You don't like Judge Abrams, well good for you. I like her sometimes and I don't like her sometimes. I can however be fair and impartial about the facts, which I believe you cannot. She did release these offenders, but the FACT remains, she is not the only judge to do so. So since you are so adept at reporting things about judges, and this decision to release these offenders bothers you so much, why not give full disclosure and report all of the facts!
Me personally I don't hold any of you lawyers in high reguard. I think most of you have the morals of a garden snake. But, this is the best system we have and you are the people who make it work, so therefore I live with it. But your showing your colors as an attorney, presenting only a one sided scewed accounting of the facts. Typical of your breed!
Dork
Highlander's MPD
Which is lower on the popularity scale? A child molestor or a defense attorney? I think they are fairly close.
I really should modify this post. But I will just reply instead. There are a lot of quality defense attorney's in St. Mary's County. These are people who work hard for their clients, who wouldn't throw them under a bus, and attempt to get them the best deal they can if the client is guilty. But on the same hand, they wouldn't argue or lie about their client being innocent if the client has told them they did the crime.
This is how the system is supposed to work. Like I said, it isn't a perfect system, but I its the best one we got. There are several defense attorneys I respect.
inkah12102
New Member
why work release
interesting to recognize the need for criminals -- even those as horrifying as this -- to provide for their families. seems that perhaps all too often the families are the "other" victims. Wounds in cases like these are far greater than we could ever imagine... I would love to see a way for criminals of all kinds -- especially this kind -- to have to face the far reaching affects of thier actions. But really, in prison, on work release, dead, or free -- is there anything that can make up for all the pain?
I doubt it.
interesting to recognize the need for criminals -- even those as horrifying as this -- to provide for their families. seems that perhaps all too often the families are the "other" victims. Wounds in cases like these are far greater than we could ever imagine... I would love to see a way for criminals of all kinds -- especially this kind -- to have to face the far reaching affects of thier actions. But really, in prison, on work release, dead, or free -- is there anything that can make up for all the pain?
I doubt it.
I don't know? I just hope that when the man or woman is arrested tried and convicted, it brings some sort of closure to this chapter of the event, so the victim could get on with the healing process they so need!
inkah12102
New Member
certainly the victim is the primary focus and I would certainly agree w/ your hope that there would be closure for them somewhere, somehow, someday. I thought that your post just provided for the possibility to consider that there are so many others involved in a crime like this that get wounded (you mentioned a need for the perp to support his own family while paying retribution and it occured to me that what the guy's family must be enduring is a whole nother ball of wax that doesn't often get considered.) My guess is that arrest and conviction is just the beginning of the Hell that some will never escape...
thanks for doing your part btw...
inkah12102
New Member
Abrams? What about the girl's parents who knew the offender and knew his offenses and still let their daughter alone with him? How about the community who DID know he was out and about? How about the registry that does not actually register offenders until they are released (work release is not considered actual release). How about friends and family who kept the secret? How about the people who thought they saw something suspicious and never said anything? How about prior victims who never spoke up? How about the people who just KNEW he could never have done such a thing, and then decided he surely would never do it again? How about the child porn industry that anonymously (cowards!) supports this kind of behavior? The list goes on and on.
And hey, here's a new thought...How about holding the offender responsible???? Who knew better than he what he was capable of?
As a community, lets put the blame where it belongs -- on the perp. And then let us each examine our own part... I for one am eternally thankful that I will never be in Karen Abrams position!