WTF happened to Innocent Until Proven Guilty

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Deputy Has Midas Touch in Asset Seizures : NPR


Chief Deputy Eddie Ingram is a devout believer in highway traffic stops. His theory is that criminals have to be mobile. They're moving between crimes, they're carrying contraband, and they're bound to slip up. When drivers are stopped for moving violations, they shouldn't be treated simply as speeders — they should be regarded as possible felons.
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Yeah Explain this one away smpd or smcop ....

The Barbour County Sheriff's Office exemplifies the situation found in many law enforcement agencies, particularly in the South: Many police agencies have grown dependent on confiscated drug money — an outcome specifically discouraged by state and federal laws. Seized assets are supposed to be only a supplement.

But Upshaw was blunt. "We're a very poor department. The county commission don't give us much money," he says. "In fact, they don't allow us any money for equipment. So we use seized drug money to buy basic items that should be provided to us, such as bulletproof vests, gun belts, guns. Nine out of 14 cars been bought with drug money."

Ingram adds, "I can't think of a county anywhere I've ever worked that needed it worse than we do right here … to be honest with you."
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So it is all about the Benjamins - this was first mentioned in the 90's when the WAR on DRUGS 1st kicked off ...


Without giving away his secrets, here's one thing Ingram looks for: If the speed limit is 65 mph, most people will drive 75 mph. But someone wanted by the law will go 65 or less, and avoid eye contact with a cop who pulls up alongside. Ingram calls them "stress-induced indicators."
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so driving the speed limit and obeying the LAW, makes you automatically a dope smuggling FELON ......

nice f'ing attitude :snacks:

If they make a stop and find hidden currency, the Barbour County Sheriff's Office gets to keep 40 percent.

The Drug Enforcement Administration frowns on this arrangement — one agent in Birmingham called it "mercenary." Ingram asserts it's perfectly legal and that other highway interdiction trainers across the South do it, too.

"That's a pretty questionable practice. It's not piracy, we're not flying the Jolly Roger here, but it's at best privateering," says Jack Killorin, the Atlanta-based chairman of the Domestic Highway Enforcement Project, which is part of the White House drug czar's office.
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Ingram crawls into the back seat and with a swift, practiced technique searches the seat cushion, the baby carrier and the floorboard. The driver holds her infant on her hip and rolls her eyes.
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so a traffic stop is an automatic get out of the car I am gonna search it ...

I guess this ####### figures every stop is probably cause for a search ...

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So much for Constitutional Rights ....... he would do well in a 3rd world cesspool with even less rights for Citizens :smack:
 
BOP

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I learned many, many years ago (okay, decades), that the surest way to get a cop to flip a U-ie and pull your butt over was to make eye contact. I still don't do it, and I've been frickin' a-jay, squared away joe citizen for most of them aforementioned 4 decades (now into my 5th decade on this planet).
 
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Why would I explain this? This isn't what I have been taught or is it something I teach. This is effective for this police officer. It isn't something I would do.
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Of Course not TOOL ....

Blue Wall of Silence Stands Firm .....

how about an honest .... well yeah the law says

Innocent Until Proven Guilty ....

for Pete sake this Police Officer assumes because some is doing the speed limit or under they must be hauling drugs and are Felons .......... gee I wonder if that only applies to people of color ....

hell I passed a Toyota Prius on the beltway last night ... 60 yr old woman and her husband? (man in car with her) was only going about 55 60 .... they must have been hauling a load of cash back from NYC to FL ... but this guys reasoning .... (drugs go south - north ) right ?

If the speed limit is 65 mph, most people will drive 75 mph. But someone wanted by the law will go 65 or less, and avoid eye contact with a cop who pulls up alongside.
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sommpd

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RadioPatrol said:
Of Course not TOOL ....

Blue Wall of Silence Stands Firm .....

how about an honest .... well yeah the law says

Innocent Until Proven Guilty ....

for Pete sake this Police Officer assumes because some is doing the speed limit or under they must be hauling drugs and are Felons .......... gee I wonder if that only applies to people of color ....

hell I passed a Toyota Prius on the beltway last night ... 60 yr old woman and her husband? (man in car with her) was only going about 55 60 .... they must have been hauling a load of cash back from NYC to FL ... but this guys reasoning .... (drugs go south - north ) right ?




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You are always looking for an argument, but your hatred for the police is misdirected. Here is the important part of that article.
Ingram asserts it's perfectly legal and that other highway interdiction trainers across the South do it, too.
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While I said it isn't something I do nor would I teach it, you make it into something bad. I said it works for that cop or that department. You need to take your anger to the legislature that allows them to do this! There is no blue wall of silence. I disagree with this type of enforcement. However, it works for them. I am not in their situation. If people in that jurisdiction don't like it they should have the legislature change the law.

If they are doing something illegal I condemn that!

Stop blaming it on the police. Go cry somewhere else!
 
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BOP said:
I learned many, many years ago (okay, decades), that the surest way to get a cop to flip a U-ie and pull your butt over was to make eye contact. I still don't do it, and I've been frickin' a-jay, squared away joe citizen for most of them aforementioned 4 decades (now into my 5th decade on this planet).
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BS I do it all the time. Sometimes I even give a wave or "the chin" and have never been pulled over in the daylight. Infact the only time I was ever pulled over was at 2AM and i was on my way home from Dulles in a rental that had burned out tail light.
 
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sommpd

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czygvtwkr said:
BS I do it all the time. Sometimes I even give a wave or "the chin" and have never been pulled over in the daylight. Infact the only time I was ever pulled over was at 2AM and i was on my way home from Dulles in a rental that had burned out tail light.
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I can't for the life of me think why I would pull someone over who waved or made eye contact with me? I would smile nod or wave back and be on my way.
 
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If you think that your local law enforcement officers are doing such a bad job in "screening" potential criminals, then you should go on a ride-along and see just what it is like to be out there trying to enforce the law in a group of citizens where many hate the police, have no respect for the job a policeman does, and talk to police officers in a manner that if someone spoke to you in would most likely start a fight. And if you are going to speak about the so called "blue wall of silence" you akso need to speak about the "criminal wall of silence" where citizens would rather see a criminal get away than be captured by the awful policeman. I really believe if you saw what really goes on when you are with an officer you might rethink some of your opinions. Take the challenge go on a ride-along and then come back and see what you have to say. All local agencies allow ride-alongs.
 
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MiMiMi said:
If you think that your local law enforcement officers are doing such a bad job in "screening" potential criminals, then you should go on a ride-along and see just what it is like to be out there trying to enforce the law in a group of citizens where many hate the police, have no respect for the job a policeman does, and talk to police officers in a manner that if someone spoke to you in would most likely start a fight. And if you are going to speak about the so called "blue wall of silence" you akso need to speak about the "criminal wall of silence" where citizens would rather see a criminal get away than be captured by the awful policeman. I really believe if you saw what really goes on when you are with an officer you might rethink some of your opinions. Take the challenge go on a ride-along and then come back and see what you have to say. All local agencies allow ride-alongs.
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You have to pass a background screening for that.
 
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MiMiMi

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Yeah if you consider a quick run through the CAD system a background check. Plus if you haven't done anything serious they will let you go.
 
AK-74me

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sommpd said:
No you don't have to do it, but it is done for you!
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Right, what I meant was that I never knew anything was done considering I had only a minute of contact with anyone else in the barracks except the Tropper I was going with.
 
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AK-74me said:
Right, what I meant was that I never knew anything was done considering I had only a minute of contact with anyone else in the barracks except the Tropper I was going with.
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I don't know what police agency in the world would let a person show up, say they want to go on a ride along, then have them sign a waiver and allow them to get into the car without knowing who they are. They would look pretty silly if they had a guy with a warrant riding around with them prior to letting them in the car wouldn't they?
 
AK-74me

AK-74me

"Typical White Person"
sommpd said:
I don't know what police agency in the world would let a person show up, say they want to go on a ride along, then have them sign a waiver and allow them to get into the car without knowing who they are. They would look pretty silly if they had a guy with a warrant riding around with them prior to letting them in the car wouldn't they?
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Yeah, I understand that. I am just saying that I don't remember them taking my license or any form of ID to confirm who I was. My buddy told me to meet him at the barracks, I showed up met a couple of his co-workers, signed the liability form and left, from what I remember. Maybe he gave them my information without me knowing it.

I do however understand the policy and agree with it. I am just trying to remember anyone confirming my ID but I can't.
 
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