Hank
my war
How about trying that once yourself.....thinking.....I know it is a novel idea......
No cake for you.
Yes, Jesus Would Bake A Cake for a Gay Person
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No cake for you.
b23hqb
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itsbob
I bowl overhand
None of them knew how to write so anything is possible.. but to answer your questions.. He welcomed sinners that were looking to repent and change their ways, he wasn't very receptive of sinners that were just going to continue to sin without repenting or trying to change.
So yes, Jesus probably would bake them a cake for their heterosexual wedding after they repented.. but probably wouldn't bake them a cake for their rectal wrecking recital.
hotcoffee
New Member
Let me ask you this.....
If I feel that something is wrong.... say eating a slice of pizza.... and you think it's right..... Does that mean that I have to eat a slice of pizza to make you feel better? Hope not!
I believe the Bible? Do I think there is some symbolism in the Bible to make the moral of the story more visible? Sure.... where do you think Jesus learned the importance of the parable as a learning tool. I believe the Bible is about the one True God.... His Son... and their love for me....
If others don't care to believe the Bible, that's their opinion. Why can't they be tolerant of those of us who do believe in it.
It's not very nice to say I don't think for myself just because I have a different opinion. Kind of makes me feel bad for people who swallow any faddish idea that comes down the propaganda pike. At least the Love of the Lord goes back to the beginning of reason.
IMHO
blazinlow89
Big Poppa
Let me ask you this.....
If I feel that something is wrong.... say eating a slice of pizza.... and you think it's right..... Does that mean that I have to eat a slice of pizza to make you feel better? Hope not!
I believe the Bible? Do I think there is some symbolism in the Bible to make the moral of the story more visible? Sure.... where do you think Jesus learned the importance of the parable as a learning tool. I believe the Bible is about the one True God.... His Son... and their love for me....
If others don't care to believe the Bible, that's their opinion. Why can't they be tolerant of those of us who do believe in it.
It's not very nice to say I don't think for myself just because I have a different opinion. Kind of makes me feel bad for people who swallow any faddish idea that comes down the propaganda pike. At least the Love of the Lord goes back to the beginning of reason.
I usually stay out of this area as religious arguments to me at least are less productive than political ones. However seeing your example of asking for people who do not believe in the bible to be tolerant, while Christians are intolerant of someones personal preference is hypocritical at best. Is this not passing judgement, when you should love thy neighbor? What two people do between themselves has no effect on you, if you believe that gays marrying effects you directly, well then stop being intolerant.
I find it funny that people put so much thought into the bible when it is nothing more than stories that have been translated, re translated and copied into multiple editions over the last 2000 years. I see the bible as something to provide inspiration, while the ten commandments should be what you live by. Although using a book about pillaging, prostitution, murder and stealing is not really something anyone should base their life on.
Also no one knows what Jesus would think today, you can see it from their own point of view.
Now before you pass judgement on me, I was raised in a Lutheran household. I prefer not to designate myself to a specific following as I believe organized religion is a scam, my point of view. I am not gay, however I have gay relatives. I support them 100%.
hotcoffee
New Member
A lot of people use to go to church.... I did. Participating in organized religion is not the same as being a Christian. Alas, that is another argument.
I too have relatives who are gay. I also have relatives who lie. I also have relatives who are drunks. I bet I have thieves among my relatives. Am I suppose to condone their actions as well? So many times people tell others not to inable.
I might have enjoyed living life as a high class call girl.... but I knew that the Lord didn't want me to do that so I didn't. To me it's all the same..... homosexuality is defined in the Bible as a sin. The Lord doesn't want us to sin.
A predisposition to a particular sin is a thorn each of us has to live with.... we can love the sinner and not love the sin. That doesn't make us intolerant.
TMO
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PsyOps
Pixelated
Well, that isn’t completely true. Peter rejected Jesus in the beginning. Peter denied Jesus when Jesus needed him most. Jesus reached out to the rich man. The rich man rejected him.
It’s about reaching out to those that have hard hearts. He said he didn’t come call on the good, but the sinners. The first act was Jesus even coming to this earth in the first place. God doesn’t have to offer anything to us. And God did this knowing most will reject Him anyway. But He did it anyway. God baked a cake for all humanity; it’s up to you to eat it or not.
In terms of getting into that place He called paradise… you’re right… you don’t get in if you reject Him. But the cake has still been placed in front of you.
hotcoffee
New Member
I don't believe Jesus would celebrate a gay marriage any more than he would celebrate a successful bank robbery or a murder....
AND IMHO it's quite intolerant of some people to force Christians to accept it.
Matthew 19:1 When Jesus had finished saying these things, he left Galilee and went into the region of Judea to the other side of the Jordan. 2 Large crowds followed him, and he healed them there.
3 Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?”
4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’[a] 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
7 “Why then,” they asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?”
8 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”
10 The disciples said to him, “If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry.”
11 Jesus replied, “Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. 12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”
3 Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?”
4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’[a] 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
7 “Why then,” they asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?”
8 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”
10 The disciples said to him, “If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry.”
11 Jesus replied, “Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. 12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”
You're right.... I don't have a clue what Jesus would do. I do have my Bible, though.
Some say that Verse 12 of this paragraph says that Jesus knew that some people are born gay. If we go with that premise then we should continue to the end of the verse. "The one who can accept this should accept it." Some people were meant to never marry.
You're right.... I don't have a clue what Jesus would do. I do have my Bible, though.
Some would also say that Jesus never discussed rape, incest, or domestic violence, either. Does that make rape, incest, or domestic violence ok?
Perhaps when the Bible said Daniel was made a eunuch in Babylon it meant that he was sold into homosexual slavery.... and perhaps the reason Daniel was so successful in his life was that he stayed true to his God.
Nope... I won't shut up.... I think this is a topic that deserves open honest discussion.
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Larry Gude
Strung Out
Should a gay florist be allowed to deny service to a Christian couple? I know many of you will say 'yes!' but, do you really mean it? I mean, I never knew a gay person who would turn down a wedding based on what other people choose to believe but, just saying.
Other than that, Jesus fed the masses. He cured the sick. He treated the people as they were. Do we Christians honestly want our faith to be turned into one big joke where Christ is asking people, before he feeds them or treats them, "Hey, you're not, well, you know, you're not a turd burglar or carpet muncher are you???? You can be a drunk, adulterer, thief, take pops name in vain, total douche bag and get served but, we all have our limits, pal..." For ####s sake, I can see the cartoon. Jesus lays his hands on a leper and the guy says "thanks" with a lisp and Jesus jumps up "Ewwwwww!!!!! Homo cooties!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Other than that, Jesus fed the masses. He cured the sick. He treated the people as they were. Do we Christians honestly want our faith to be turned into one big joke where Christ is asking people, before he feeds them or treats them, "Hey, you're not, well, you know, you're not a turd burglar or carpet muncher are you???? You can be a drunk, adulterer, thief, take pops name in vain, total douche bag and get served but, we all have our limits, pal..." For ####s sake, I can see the cartoon. Jesus lays his hands on a leper and the guy says "thanks" with a lisp and Jesus jumps up "Ewwwwww!!!!! Homo cooties!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
hotcoffee
New Member
The key words here are fed and cured. Jesus offers salvation and forgives sin. He ate with sinners, didn't exclude anyone....
He called a sin a sin though.... look at the woman at the well story.... He told that woman all about her husbands and offered living water [salvation]... Look at the woman He saved from the stoning.... He told her to go and sin no more.
I believe Jesus loves everyone and would welcome anyone into the Kingdom.... but people have to choose....
Jesus had a conversation with a man who followed the law but that man left because he just couldn't give everything up to follow Jesus....
Jesus wouldn't celebrate sin.
TMHO
Hank
my war
The key words here are fed and cured. Jesus offers salvation and forgives sin. He ate with sinners, didn't exclude anyone....
He called a sin a sin though.... look at the woman at the well story.... He told that woman all about her husbands and offered living water [salvation]... Look at the woman He saved from the stoning.... He told her to go and sin no more.
I believe Jesus loves everyone and would welcome anyone into the Kingdom.... but people have to choose....
Jesus had a conversation with a man who followed the law but that man left because he just couldn't give everything up to follow Jesus....
Jesus wouldn't celebrate sin.
TMHO
And this is thinking for yourself? What an answer to Larry's question!
PsyOps
Pixelated
I’d say it and mean it. If you run a business, you should be allowed to allow or deny anyone you want based on any reason. Let the customers decide. If you practice discrimination/bigotry, I think you’ll go out of business pretty quickly.
The reason gays probably wouldn’t turn away someone is because they don’t believe their salvation is at risk for doing so. That’s not saying that I even remotely believe if a Christian baked a cake for a gay couple’s wedding their going to hell. This isn’t a religious thing for me… it’s a liberty thing; something I think Jesus would embrace.
b23hqb
Well-Known Member
Born again Christians have great liberty, and will be supported eternally by Christ in the end.
Everyone must make their choice, make their bed and sleep in it. One either changes their ways (repents) and follow the teachings of the Lord (salvation), or they don't.
Individual choice of their eternal destination.
Not because one says so. Not because society or PC says so. But because God said so. When you are God, you set the rules.
hotcoffee
New Member
Larry Gude
Strung Out
The key words here are fed and cured. Jesus offers salvation and forgives sin. He ate with sinners, didn't exclude anyone....
He called a sin a sin though.... look at the woman at the well story.... He told that woman all about her husbands and offered living water [salvation]... Look at the woman He saved from the stoning.... He told her to go and sin no more.
I believe Jesus loves everyone and would welcome anyone into the Kingdom.... but people have to choose....
Jesus had a conversation with a man who followed the law but that man left because he just couldn't give everything up to follow Jesus....
Jesus wouldn't celebrate sin.
TMHO
Then, you'd think the least followers could do would be to get along with folks, sell some flowers and wedding cakes and leave the judging to Him. These sorts of absurd absolute positions are not in keeping with His teachings, let alone His example, do not further the interests of Christianity and, in fact, marginalize it and harm it. This is to say nothing of harming ones own personal fortunes, potentially ending business's and the negative impact that would have on those of faith.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
We've been down this path. A community has the right to impose certain expectations on business's including safety standards, hours of operation, labor laws and so forth in exchange for the infrastructure of the community, utilities, roads, zoning and so forth whereby communities say 'here is how we do business'. It is not unreasonable to say "you can't refuse service based on skin color, religious belief or gender'.
Liberty isn't anarchy.
hotcoffee
New Member
We're called to follow His teaching. Absolutely!
That doesn't mean when it's convenient, or politically correct, or may cost you some money.... it means we are supposed to follow His word completely... absolutely.... there were a lot of sinners who didn't like what Jesus was teaching.... the Pharisees got Him hung on a cross.... Absolutely...
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PsyOps
Pixelated
Am I interpreting you as saying that if a Christian running a business that consciously serves a gay person puts their salvation at risk?
PsyOps
Pixelated
When you say community, you mean the law; government dictating how businesses are run. Where does the line begin and end with government doing what they interpret as ‘the better good for the community’ and religious freedom? I’m not so sure there is a constitutional mandate for communities to do the greater good as there is a constitutional mandate to protect one’s practice of their religion. Why not let the market decide rather than government? Government has a responsibility to protect us from harm (labor laws, safety, etc…), but I think their responsibility ends where they mandate that some must serve someone I may have a fundamental disagreement with. No one is really harmed by being refused service such as baking them a wedding cake. You can always patronize another business. Again, I don’t agree with such practice, but I think the market should decide.