Yet Another Smoking Ban

[greyhound]

Geek, busybody control freaks like you piss me off. If my children smell like smoke, it's none of your business. If I have a smoker's hack, that's none of your business either. You worry about yourself - my Mom is in Nebraska and I don't need another one.

Unless, of course, you'd like me to start picking you and your bad habits apart. We can start with your penchant for wanting to Mommy the whole world and boss them around....

There are plenty of places non-smokers can go to not smoke. But they have decided that they not only want free run of the entire country and every building contained therein, but they want the rest of us to accommodate them so they don't have to ever be offended or uncomfortable.

To hell with what offends others or makes THEM uncomfortable - the smoke Nazis want their way and screw everybody else.

Uh oh...I think she needs a cigarette

 

[vraiblonde]

Would you have the same attitude if we were all smoke-free, and tobacco was a newly introduced product trying to make its way into the public life?

If I had a privately owned bar or restaurant, I should be able to have smoking if I want it, or not if I don't. As long as smoking remains a legal activity, I don't think the government should be able to tell you whether you can allow it in your place of business or not.

The market should dictate, not the state.

Smoker's are cute.

And state legislatures want to deprive you of that entertainment. I'd be #####ing up a storm if I were you.

You would think with as much money that smokers spend on tobacco, it would be joyous and painless to smoke

Uh, hello? Re-read that, please.

It USED to be joyous and painless to smoke - UNTIL the smoke Nazis started their control freak campaign.

 

[Speedy70]

A couple of weekends ago my husband took me away for our one-year anniversary. We ate breakfast at a little restaurant that allowed smoking. It was so scrumptous to have my whole breakfast taste like smoke.

 

[ylexot]

A couple of weekends ago my husband took me away for our one-year anniversary. We ate breakfast at a little restaurant that allowed smoking. It was so scrumptous to have my whole breakfast taste like smoke.

Then don't eat there

 

[Speedy70]

Then don't eat there

We didn't after that! It was fine until they sat some couple next to us where the guy had to smoke every 5 minutes. The place was packed so we couldn't ask to be moved. :shrug:

 

[greyhound]

We didn't after that! It was fine until they sat some couple next to us where the guy had to smoke every 5 minutes. The place was packed so we couldn't ask to be moved. :shrug:

Don't you love how your hair and clothes smell when you leave the restaurant. Why bother with perfume when you can smell like you've just left a campfire. Oh, wait, a campfire smells better.

 

[bobbyflatliner]

perspective...

I have had 4 people in my family die from tobacco related disease and/or complications. All 4 had deep regrets as they were dying/wasting away, of ever starting, even though, throughout the duration of thier lives, they sounded very similar to the pro-tobacco people on this site. I dont go out anymore to smoke filled bars. I have made a choice. It is legal in bars to do so, and restaurants for now, so I avoid those places. Any vice complicates peoples lives, and some effect those around us. I have just as much of an issue with smokers as i do with someone whom is loudly cursing or being rude. they do not actually hurt me or my family at all. they are just words. If I would walk up to anyone on the street, whom is with thier family, and just start spewing curse words, I am sure I would be repremanded, even if it just a look. If I was in a restaurant, the same would happen. Never, in the history of medicine, has the F word caused any direct major medical issues, yet it is rude and socially unacceptable. Really, smoke all you want, until the bans do infact come through, which they will. As far as limiting your right to choose... not but 50 yrs ago it was socially acceptable to abuse your wife.
I have alot more to say, but will limit my comments to this post.

 

[Ken King]

Never, in the history of medicine, has the F word caused any direct major medical issues,...

Really? I know of several cases where the inappropriate use of the "F" word has resulted in direct major medical issues when an ass-whopping, multiple wounds to the head or torso or death from a large caliber weapon were returned to the individual uttering that offensive word. So it can be stated that the "F" word can and does cause physical harm.

You may not agree that they are directly related but that is subject to interpretation just as all the claims of harm from second-hand smoke are subject to equal interpretation and speculation.

 

[vraiblonde]

The place was packed so we couldn't ask to be moved.

No, but you could have asked if they allow smoking, then left when they said yes. Really - it's that simple. I do it all the time.
"Can I smoke in here?"
"No."
"See ya!"

If you choose a bar or restaurant that allows smoking, you run the risk that a smoker will sit at the table next to you. A little forethought on your part could have made for a more enjoyable meal for you. But noooo. It's the smokers' fault because they were smoking in the smoking section.

 

[ylexot]

I have had 4 people in my family die from tobacco related disease and/or complications. All 4 had deep regrets as they were dying/wasting away, of ever starting, even though, throughout the duration of thier lives, they sounded very similar to the pro-tobacco people on this site. I dont go out anymore to smoke filled bars. I have made a choice. It is legal in bars to do so, and restaurants for now, so I avoid those places. Any vice complicates peoples lives, and some effect those around us. I have just as much of an issue with smokers as i do with someone whom is loudly cursing or being rude. they do not actually hurt me or my family at all. they are just words. If I would walk up to anyone on the street, whom is with thier family, and just start spewing curse words, I am sure I would be repremanded, even if it just a look. If I was in a restaurant, the same would happen. Never, in the history of medicine, has the F word caused any direct major medical issues, yet it is rude and socially unacceptable. Really, smoke all you want, until the bans do infact come through, which they will. As far as limiting your right to choose... not but 50 yrs ago it was socially acceptable to abuse your wife.
I have alot more to say, but will limit my comments to this post.

Choices have risks and consequences. Welcome to life.

And just in case anybody wonders why I, as a non-smoker, oppose these laws, it is because I do not want the government to make personal choices for me or anyone else. If you want to screw yourself up, go right ahead. Just keep in mind that you have to live with the consequences of your actions.

 

[oldman]

Vrai, we are quickly becoming an extinct breed and apparently there isn't anything we can do to stop the tide. I do find it interesting that the N.J. casinos are allowed to be smoking areas and continue to be packed with people. Apparently some of these people that don't like their hair to smell like smoke are willing to do just that as long as they think they have a chance to win some money. Makes me wonder what drives some people. With all the media stating it's a health hazard and will lead to our deaths, so many no picking up the habit anymore, why don't the non-smokers just leave us alone, let us die like flies, and once we are gone the world will be smoke free.
Wonder what they'd gripe about then?

 

[greyhound]

Apparently some of these people that don't like their hair to smell like smoke are willing to do just that as long as they think they have a chance to win some money. Makes me wonder what drives some people.

What casino gambler said, "I don't like my hair to smell like smoke"?
Just curious.

 

[vraiblonde]

Wonder what they'd gripe about then?

THAT is my point.

The smoking ban, itself, is beside the point. I can live with that because the cities I love visiting are all smoke-free, and I manage to live through it and enjoy my vacation anyway.

But this nonsense is chilling when you really think about it:
"I don't like smoking."
"Then go to restaurants that don't allow smoking."
"I don't WANT to go to those restaurants. I want to go to any restaurant I please and force people to cater to my displeasures and neuroses. And, PS, I'm going to get my Congressman to pass a LAW that says I can go anywhere I please and never have to be subjected to something I don't like."

It's interesting to note that, when some fuddy duddy like me complains about Howard Stern's language and antics on public radio, these smoke whiners are some of the SAME PEOPLE who tell me to turn the channel if I don't like it.

And the fact is, I DO turn the channel, even though there's supposed to be an FCC in this country that prevents obscenity from making its way onto public TV and radio. But smoke whiners aren't content to "turn the channel" - they must go on a vendetta and have ALL smoking outlawed.

So what next? What will they whine about next and infringe on the rest of our rights so they can have their way?

SUVs? They're already trying to have them banned.

Junk food? There's legislation being considered right now.

Literature? Many classics have already been taken off the shelves of our libraries because someone decided the prose wasn't "sensitive" enough. PS, Hustler magazine falls under "free speech" and is allowed in public libraries, but Tom Sawyer was removed.

Whether you smoke or not, you should be very concerned about this disturbing trend.

 

[greyhound]

THAT is my point.


It's interesting to note that, when some fuddy duddy like me complains about Howard Stern's language and antics on public radio, these smoke whiners are some of the SAME PEOPLE who tell me to turn the channel if I don't like it.

But Howard Stern doesn't directly affect my health or make me smell like smoke. "Apples to oranges"

 

[greyhound]

Many classics have already been taken off the shelves of our libraries because someone decided the prose wasn't "sensitive" enough. PS, Hustler magazine falls under "free speech" and is allowed in public libraries, but Tom Sawyer was removed.

Please name the public library that removed Tom Sawyer.

 

[Speedy70]

No, but you could have asked if they allow smoking, then left when they said yes. Really - it's that simple. I do it all the time.
"Can I smoke in here?"
"No."
"See ya!"

If you choose a bar or restaurant that allows smoking, you run the risk that a smoker will sit at the table next to you. A little forethought on your part could have made for a more enjoyable meal for you. But noooo. It's the smokers' fault because they were smoking in the smoking section.

The guy next to us didn't light up until after our food arrived. I was hungry!

 

[Speedy70]

It's interesting to note that, when some fuddy duddy like me complains about Howard Stern's language and antics on public radio, these smoke whiners are some of the SAME PEOPLE who tell me to turn the channel if I don't like it.

And the fact is, I DO turn the channel, even though there's supposed to be an FCC in this country that prevents obscenity from making its way onto public TV and radio.

Howard went to satellite so he could have more freedom. You must pay around $12.00 a month to hear the language now.

 

[Speedy70]

Another thing, and I'm not saying anyone here does this, but I HATE smokers that throw their damn cigarette butts out of the car window. That makes me crazy.

Not only is it littering, but it starts fires!!

 

[vraiblonde]

Please name the public library that removed Tom Sawyer.

http://www.csulb.edu/library/subj/banned.html

http://www.ala.org/ala/oif/bannedbooksweek/bbwlinks/top100challenged.htm
(It's #83)

Google is your friend.

 

[vraiblonde]

But Howard Stern doesn't directly affect my health or make me smell like smoke.

If you stay out of smoking restaurants and bars, my smoke won't affect your health or make you smell, either.