Zimmerman Guilty?

[Bann]

Yes this could have been avoided...and it was all because of Zimmerman...don't you agree? I don't understand why it was not wrong for him to be following him? Wasn't he purposely following him? And why was he? What is the reason?
I had heard, if I am not mistaken, that there had been several break-ins in the neighborhood by African-Americans. So, wasn't this why he was following him?

I imagine he will probably get off...did you ever notice that most of these high-profile cases that are televised, the defendants get off? Take O.J. and Casey Anthony.

GZ had a RIGHT to be where he was AND he was a member of his NEIGHBORHOOD watch. Good grief.

 

[NextJen]

Each of our thoughts are based on our interpretation. How you interpret something may not be the same as I interpret the same thing.
Does this mean that the way you interpret is better than mine, or the true one?

This is how our reasoning mind sets are made. Our interpretations are all that we got, or to say that we live by. You can only reason or think, by what you have learned or experienced through your life, I am not saying that you can't understand by what you hear or see by other's experiences. But it seems to me, that where justice is concerned, that the majority rules, even if it is based on the mere truth. (In my mind, cases such as OJ and Casey Anthony were found not guilty and should have been based on truths, in my opinion...but that is a different argument.)

Justice is not based on majority rule.

 

[garyt27]

Regardless of what sparked the altercation, the simple fact of the matter is, there is enough evidence to show TM was on top of GZ, GZs head showed signs of impact trauma at the time. When ones head is being traumatized it becomes easy to become disoriented and lose the ability to adequately defend ones self.

How many people here have taken a blow to the head that caused near loss of consciousness, but were left with no visible marks other than a lump on the head? I'm betting quite a few. GZ had visible injuries to the back of his head. The gunshot evidence suggests to forensic experts that TM was above GZ. Pretty clear GZ was defending himself at that point and in fear of severe bodily harm or death. Thus self defense.

Could all of this been avoided? Probably. Mistakes were probably made by both. But once GZ perceived he was in severe danger, it became self defense.

The Judge seems to want GZ to go down for something. The media has had a heyday with it. GZ will not see justice. He will probably be charged with something.

This I agree with.

 

[garyt27]

Yes this could have been avoided...and it was all because of Zimmerman...don't you agree? I don't understand why it was not wrong for him to be following him? Wasn't he purposely following him? And why was he? What is the reason?
I had heard, if I am not mistaken, that there had been several break-ins in the neighborhood by African-Americans. So, wasn't this why he was following him?

I imagine he will probably get off...did you ever notice that most of these high-profile cases that are televised, the defendants get off? Take O.J. and Casey Anthony.

Arias didn't.

 

[garyt27]

Maybe a hung jury?

 

[Foxhound]

Yes these highly publicized cases do seem to have biased results. However, when OJ was acquitted there were no riots.

 

[struggler44]

Each of our thoughts are based on our interpretation. How you interpret something may not be the same as I interpret the same thing.
Does this mean that the way you interpret is better than mine, or the true one?

This is how our reasoning mind sets are made. Our interpretations are all that we got, or to say that we live by. You can only reason or think, by what you have learned or experienced through your life, I am not saying that you can't understand by what you hear or see by other's experiences. But it seems to me, that where justice is concerned, that the majority rules, even if it is based on the mere truth. (In my mind, cases such as OJ and Casey Anthony were found not guilty and should have been based on truths, in my opinion...but that is a different argument.)

You seem to be the type of person the accused should fear, someone who trys to connect all the "what if's or could be's" into a scenario instead of using the evidence to determine the outcome of guilty or not guilty

I was disturbed with GZ statement that it was all God's plan and he would not have done anything different.....

 

[SoMDGirl42]

Yes these highly publicized cases do seem to have biased results. However, when OJ was acquitted there were no riots.

that's because he was black and killed whites. The blacks celebrated his victory as if it were their own. He got away with it.

If it were the other way around

 

[mudpuddle]

GZ had a RIGHT to be where he was AND he was a member of his NEIGHBORHOOD watch. Good grief.

Trayvon had the right to be where he was, too. Also, what was he doing that looked so suspicious and needing to be followed in the first place? He looked suspicious because he was black and wearing a hoodie. It didn't matter what he was doing, GZ was determined to follow him even for no reason...does this make sense?

 

[Bann]

Trayvon had the right to be where he was, too. Also, what was he doing that looked so suspicious and needing to be followed in the first place? He looked suspicious because he was black and wearing a hoodie. It didn't matter what he was doing, GZ was determined to follow him even for no reason...does this make sense?

He looked suspicious because he WAS being suspicious hanging around a neighborhood he didn't belong to, for 1 thing. But feel free to play card all you want.

 

[mudpuddle]

Justice is not based on majority rule.

I meant that to be the jury...not public opinion.

 

[mudpuddle]

He looked suspicious because he WAS being suspicious hanging around a neighborhood he didn't belong to, for 1 thing. But feel free to play card all you want.

I heard he was there visiting his dad with his fiance. So, that is against the law?

Also, if he was white or hispanic, do you think GZ would be out to get him? I don't usually play the card, but I do think things would have been different if he was not black.

If you were walking down a street on a dark and rainy night, alone, would you feel safer walking and seeing a black man in a hoodie, or a white person in a hoodie? In this case, it wasn't even a black "man" it was a black teenager who wasn't even armed...just my thoughts...

oh yeah, I forgot, it wasn't about GZ feeling unsafe--he was armed to begin with. I should say that "I" would feel safer with my own race, than with another. Although, I know things can happen with your own race as well. Unfortunately, I have stereotyped all guys with their hoodies. They make me cringe, no matter where I am....

 

[Bann]

I heard he was there visiting his dad with his fiance. So, that is against the law?

Also, if he was white or hispanic, do you think GZ would be out to get him? I don't usually play the card, but I do think things would have been different if he was not black.

If you were walking down a street on a dark and rainy night, alone, would you feel safer walking and seeing a black man in a hoodie, or a white person in a hoodie? In this case, it wasn't even a black "man" it was a black teenager who wasn't even armed...just my thoughts...

oh yeah, I forgot, it wasn't about GZ feeling unsafe--he was armed to begin with. I should say that "I" would feel safer with my own race, than with another. Although, I know things can happen with your own race as well. Unfortunately, I have stereotyped all guys with their hoodies. They make me cringe, no matter where I am....

BUT! It *is a gated community, and he didn't recognize the guy. As a neighborhood watch person, he's doing what they DO. Watch people (you don't recognize as neighbors) DOING things (you don't recognize as regular behavior)

Again - thanks for playing.

 

[mudpuddle]

BUT! It *is a gated community, and he didn't recognize the guy. As a neighborhood watch person, he's doing what they DO. Watch people (you don't recognize as neighbors) DOING things (you don't recognize as regular behavior)

Again - thanks for playing.

you mean going into a store and buying candy and soda is not regular behavior? I maybe missing stuff here, I admit...

 

[itsrequired]

People lose me on this. My interpretation of "we don't need you to do that", is don't do it.

By what authority does the dispatcher have the right to order someone not to do something legal?

 

[Bann]

you mean going into a store and buying candy and soda is not regular behavior? I maybe missing stuff here, I admit...

You betcha! Yup, he followed Trayvon right into the store and watched him buy sodi-pop and candy.

 

[itsrequired]

I heard he was there visiting his dad with his fiance. So, that is against the law?

Also, if he was white or hispanic, do you think GZ would be out to get him? I don't usually play the card, but I do think things would have been different if he was not black.

If you were walking down a street on a dark and rainy night, alone, would you feel safer walking and seeing a black man in a hoodie, or a white person in a hoodie? In this case, it wasn't even a black "man" it was a black teenager who wasn't even armed...just my thoughts...

oh yeah, I forgot, it wasn't about GZ feeling unsafe--he was armed to begin with. I should say that "I" would feel safer with my own race, than with another. Although, I know things can happen with your own race as well. Unfortunately, I have stereotyped all guys with their hoodies. They make me cringe, no matter where I am....

Walking down the street at night is not against the law. Calling 911 and reporting a suspicious person is not against the law either. Just because YOU don't find him suspicious doesn't mean Zimmerman didn't. As a matter of fact we have evidence he did because he called the police.

Last time I checked, following someone was not just cause for beating someone up. Martin did that to Zimmerman. Shame on him because in the end, Zimmerman had the ultimate equalizer.

RIP and hopefully Zimmerman walks.

 

[desertrat]

Walking down the street at night is not against the law. Calling 911 and reporting a suspicious person is not against the law either. Just because YOU don't find him suspicious doesn't mean Zimmerman didn't. As a matter of fact we have evidence he did because he called the police.

Last time I checked, following someone was not just cause for beating someone up. Martin did that to Zimmerman. Shame on him because in the end, Zimmerman had the ultimate equalizer.

RIP and hopefully Zimmerman walks.

Yep. Self defense, so the story goes. Pix are proof.

 

[PsyOps]

Sean Noffke (the non emergency dispatcher that Took Zimmerman's call) testified that they are very careful about how they talk to the people calling. He made it clear that he worded it that way "we don't need you to do that" because - as Noffke testified - they aren't allowed to give orders. They can only suggest to the person what they want them to do. So, it was NOT an order to stop following.

Nevertheless, Zimmerman said "Okay" and proceeded to walk down the walk at the top of the ‘T’, which was moving away from Martin who was testified by Jeantel to be moving down the sidewalk perpendicular to the sidewalk Zimmerman was on. So, Zimmerman (according to his testimony) broke off following when he continued down that walk way to get the street name.

Jeantel also said Martin made all the way to his house (which is almost on the other side of that walk way. Zimmerman reported that he started walking back the other way towards his vehicle. The only way Zimmerman and Martin could have met up is for Martin to have turned around and go back toward Zimmerman. At this point, you could argue that Martin was following Zimmerman.

 

[Bay_Kat]

Here's what I don't get. The jury is done for the day, they won't start back up until 9 am tomorrow. I imagine right now, they are snug in their hotel room. Why are all the leeches still hanging out in front of the courthouse? 9am tomorrow, they have plenty of time to get back out there.