Did Harley Davidson go to India w/Obama
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Baz
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York County, Pennsylvania.
itsbob
I bowl overhand
Not intervention, just tell us the truth. American jobs are going to India, and he's going there to announce it.
As it is India just allowed Harley to be sold in their country two or three years ago. Harley's don't meet their stringent clean air laws, but under Bush we made a trade agreement that we would buy x tons of mangoes a year from India (lifting an 18 year old Trade Embargo), if they allowed Harley to sell x amount of bikes a year. India waived their clean air requirements for Harley to sell there, and we now have Mangoes in the US year round.
Mangoes for Harleys
So now he takes the work Bush has done and takes it to the next liberal level (which has become the norm)
AND the parts for Harley aren't all made here. A lot of Harley parts (depending on the model Harley) are built in Europe.. SO send the parts from Europe to India, put the bikes together then ship them to the US.
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Baz
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Since you are slow, we're discussing closing plants and moving them to India, not within the U.S..
Unless....
.... the REAL reason Obama's going to India is to give Pennsylvania to India!!!
ylexot
Super Genius
Since you are slow, we're discussing closing plants and moving them to India, not within the U.S..
Unless....
.... the REAL reason Obama's going to India is to give Pennsylvania to India!!!
Actually, we're talking about losing jobs in the US and creating new ones in India. Did you miss this part:
the part that you haven't shown is that the two are in any way connected, even casually.
also, you are missing the reason the jobs are being lost..... from your link it seems the union has priced themselves out of buisness
ylexot
Super Genius
The timing of it lost on you?
Well, duh! I'm not missing it. I figured it was self-explanatory.
Of course, I also thought it would be pretty self-explanatory that when something is done in the US and then stops being done in the US because it is going to be done in India, that is moving jobs from the US to India.
It's simply capitalism by a multi-national, publicly held corporation. Don't act like you support American maufaturing jobs now. That ship left the dock years ago. God forbid our giant government would regulate corporations who are outsourcing jobs overseas. That would be way too socialistic. Hell, that would verge on communism.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
You are not that dumb. I know you are not.
Reagan;
If a company gets big enough, it becomes a target of governemnt affections. Not unwillingly mind you, because government affections can mean government protections from competitors. The unions are happy, the locals are happy, the company is happy, the shareholders are happy. Consumers pay for it all.
The problems start when, say, GM has gotten so big and bloated that it can't adapt to competition it can't be protected from anymore. Typically, imports. So, what to do? The union will only give so much because they have votes. The company is looking for solutions. The shareholders are demanding action. The locals are demanding everything be made happy, happy again.
All of this runs into a brick wall at some point and if a $30,000 GM product isn't as good as a $30,000 Toyota and has double the labor and benefit costs, no one has figured out how to make us consumers buy the GM anyway, though they do try. Recently by just giving them our money.
HD seems to be looking for solutions short of government takeover.
What do you think needs to happen? Charge more for $25,000 motorcycles? Tax credits?
ImnoMensa
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Obviously in order to put those Harley's together in India it wil take some sort of Assembly line.
After that Assembly line is built, How long will it take Harley to figure out that it is just as cheap to ship Harleys to Europe and the Netherlands from India as it is to ship them from the US to those places, and that the labor to build them in India is much cheaper than here.
Before long the India plant grows and ours shrinks, Before long we will be importing Harley's built in India to the good old USA.
Not saying that is the plan now (although I suspect it has been thought of), but what if. It's not like something like this has never happened before with other products.
Exactly, I couldn't agree more. That's pure capitalism.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
aps45819
24/7 Single Dad
Japanese cars are assembled here because a complete car is taxed at a much higher rate than a box of parts. They're also assembled in southern states that have "right-to-work" laws that minimize the affect unions have on the final cost.
FromTexas
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What next liberal step? Competive business and cost control is a capitalist step. The liberal step would be taxing them on their profits in India to help prevent union jobs from being exported and creating laws that x number of jobs must be performed by a depressed economic classes in America.
FromTexas
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And what if it becomes the plan? Why shouldn't Harley behave like a corporation? Since Harley has to worry about perception due to them being an "American" brand with a specific community, I doubt they would ever ship it all overseas because there would be a consumer impact, but if they choose to reduce cost because American manufacturing labor has priced themselves out of competition, why can't they?
You either believe in economic freedom or you don't. The consumer will be the ultimate arbiter in the end -- spending with companies they agree with on product and image.
Jobs could be kept here with less government intervention - don't raise taxes on the companies, don't make costly healthcare mandates, don't empower bad union behavior, etc...
FromTexas
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Excellent point - novel concept, isn't it? They do the same thing here (manufacture a final product) and try to control cost.
BOP
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I don't believe in coincidence. Tata Motors - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Tata Motors Ltd (NSE: TATAMOTORS, BSE: 500570, NYSE: TTM) is a multinational corporation headquartered in Mumbai, India. Part of the Tata Group, it was formerly known as TELCO (TATA Engineering and Locomotive Company).
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