Maybe they thought it would be like Honey Boo Boo - so repugnant that people would watch and be completely grossed out. Surprise!
I think they did that with Duck Dynasty as well.
Dugger vs Dunham
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Maybe they thought it would be like Honey Boo Boo - so repugnant that people would watch and be completely grossed out. Surprise!
I think they did that with Duck Dynasty as well.
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Pixelated
I find watching this reality stuff to be pretty mindless anyway. If they took every one of these shows off the air it wouldn't cause me to lose a wink of sleep. What's more mindless is the knee-jerk reactions to incidents that really have no bearing on anything other than the extreme minority. I'm astounded that this extreme minority dictates what happens to an entire country.
Well, looks like the mindless debauchery in those circles happens behind closed doors.
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Pixelated
What are you talking about?
The entire hubub is about a 14yo engaging in what could be described as deboucherous behavior. Outwardly pius communities have no shortage of hanky panky if nobody is looking.
You seriously consider a 14 year old boy copping a feel to be "mindless debauchery"?
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Pixelated
That was my thought. Sometimes I think people are more critical of these things when it happens with Christians. How could 'pious' Christians allow such a thing to happen? What hypocrites running around preaching to all of us how to live sinless lives while they have a child molester among them.
Completely displaced criticism if you ask me.
See, there it is again. Why are you saying "child molester" when my understanding is that the girls were roughly his own age and not children?
But you're right that some peoples' hatred for anything religious makes them crazy when a person of the Christian faith shows any sort of human behavior. For folks who preach tolerance and diversity, they sure are narrow minded when it comes to the faithful.
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Pixelated
I’m not calling it ‘child molestation’; I am being rhetorical commenting on others (like officeguy seemingly) calling it child molestation. I don’t know how the law reads, but I doubt child molestation would apply to a 14 year old fondling a 10 year old (or whatever age).
This subject with the Duggars is nothing more than an opportunity for the anti-Christian zealots to go after the faith to say “see… these Christians are nothing but a bunch of hypocrites and are just hiding behind their faith to commit crimes”.
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nasty Christians cannot lecture me ... they are just as bad or worse
just because someone says
'I believe Christ died for my sins'
that does not them better or any less, libel to have family problems ... although many [Christians] have brought the condemnation down on themselves ... acting superior to others
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nasty Christians cannot lecture me ... they are just as bad or worse
just because someone says
'I believe Christ died for my sins'
that does not them better or any less, libel to have family problems ... although many [Christians] have brought the condemnation down on themselves ... acting superior to others
And that’s the thing that folks don’t get about Christians… the typical Christian doesn’t go around with a judgmental finger asserting they are, or even pretending to be, better than anyone else. The vast majority of Christians are probably more aware of their failings and ‘sins’ than non-Christians, and are humbled by their flaws. The misinterpretation of Christians pointing out ‘sin’ as being judgmental is a problem the anti’s have due to their antipathy for be told they are sinful. People generally don’t like being told they are flawed in their behavior.
If this was not consensual, then yes. A young man letting the little brain do the thinking.
This was not 'cupping a feel', this involved several incidents.
http://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2015/may/23/silence-led-to-no-case-for-duggar-20150/
At the time of the events, rather than involving the authorities, it was handled by the elders of the church. Oddly enough, the principal behind the rehab facility where Josh was sent later had to resign among molestation allegations.
The first involvement of the authorities was with a corporal in the Arkansas state police. The question is whether he would have been a mandated reporter and failed to act according to his employers policies. Well, probably doesn't matter now that he is serving 56 years for child pornography charges in a unrelated case.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-molestation-allegations-against-josh-duggar/
It is a big deal for a number of reasons:
- 10 years later, the same young man worked for the FRC which is in the business of telling others on how to live a godly life.
- the two-stage cover-up involving both the elders of the church and a state police officer.
Coming back to the premise of this thread. Dumbo Dunham made up some salacious stories to further her publishing career knowing well that there was no risk of any legal repercussions. No cover-up, no involvement of a prominent family values organization.
Had the family decided to lay low after those troubles, JimBob had stuck to selling commercial real estate and they hadn't decided to make their godly life a source of income, nobody would have cared about the whole story beyond maybe some local gossip.
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Hijinx
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Gee: That's never happened before.
Midnightrider
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The age of the molester doesn't change if a child is a victim of molestation or not. I also don't see anybody using this to slam Christianity.
And again, you guys keep blowing this off as no big deal, but we both know you would be signing a different tune if this happened to your daughter.
That is one of the odd parts of the story. To which extent did the parents of the girls he molested know about this. Did the elders use their position of authority to stop them from going to the police ?
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Pixelated
Again, for the anti-Christian zealots confession, asking for forgiveness, and being transparent about it is never good enough. They want judgment! They want justice against such hypocrites. They want heads to roll. This is more just cause to take the Christian faith down.
I am willing to be any damn one of these Christian-haters, if they had a son at 14 that did this, they'd force that boy to apologize, then ground him for the summer. And that would be that. They would balk at any outside criticism. I told my wife a while back when we watch one of those episodes that it was inevitable that at least one of them would turn out bad or do something that would be considered against their teachings and faith. So, I'm not surprised that at least one of them has lived up to the apparent standards the parents set.
I told the story on here a while ago that I was close friends with an ordained minister who ran a local Christian organization. They raised their kids in a very similar manner as the Duggars. They home schooled. They sheltered their kids from too many outside influences. Then when the oldest kid was too old to be home schooled, they put him in public schools. Almost immediately the kid got involved in a bad crowd of kids, started doing drugs, and ended up in jail. It was very devastating to the family; as it would be for even non-Christian families. They got him in rehab, and now he's a missionary running missions in central and south America. These people (the family in my story and the Duggars) never look at their lives as greater than anyone else. They have no 'holier than thou' mentality. These incidents don't tear them down. They are humbled by them and their faith is strengthened because they know adversity is a fact of life. While the antis run around shaking their judgmental fingers at the Duggars, they forget that they complain the most about how judgmental Christians are; when they really aren't.