Gay Tolerance This Was Inevitable

[SamSpade]

Well, then you have to decide how faithful you really are. Is your faith enough to not participate, even peripherally, in a "sinful" ceremony, but not enough to believe that the Lord will provide? There have been many religious groups throughout history who were persecuted for their beliefs. Getting a fine isn't really along the same lines as having your first born son killed.

On the other hand - it's entirely Christian to stand up for your rights. You don't have to just bend over and take it.
The apostle Paul was thrown in jail after being beaten without a trial. But Paul told them that he was a Roman citizen, and it was unlawful to do this.
The magistrates decided they would quietly rush him out of the city, because they could be in big trouble for beating and jailing a Roman citizen without benefit of a trial.

But Paul would have none of it. He told them they beat him publicly, let them ESCORT US out in full view of everyone. He knew his rights.

It's one thing to live in communist Romania - as Reverend Wurmbrand did, and was tortured for years, decades - for the sake of Christ.
It's quite another to live in a nation whose FIRST GUARANTEED RIGHT in the Bill of Rights is the much vaunted Freedom of Religion - and have it conveniently whisked away in a puff of liberal logic.
They have every right to fight for their right, because if rights are not fought for, there's no reason to believe that someone won't try to take them.

 

[PsyOps]

No, they can't. They can impose penalties if you defy the law while standing up for your beliefs, but they cannot force you to act or believe.

Baker forced to make gay wedding cakes, undergo sensitivity training, after losing lawsuit

A family owned bakery has been ordered to make wedding cakes for gay couples and guarantee that its staff be given comprehensive training on Colorado’s anti-discrimination laws after the state’s Civil Rights Commission determined the Christian baker violated the law by refusing to bake a wedding cake for a same-sex couple.

They were "ordered to make wedding cakes for gay couples". How much clearer can this be? They weren't just fined for break some horse#### law, they were ORDERED TO BAKE CAKES FOR GAY COUPLED!

Of course, they ended up going out of business; which is what I believe to have been the ultimate goal.

 

[GURPS]

Of course, they ended up going out of business; which is what I believe to have been the ultimate goal.

yep, drive another Christian from the public square

 

[PsyOps]

yep, drive another Christian from the public square

Like i said, I am inclined to become a progressive just to see what it's like to preach tolerance while practicing so much hate.

 

[This_person]

Like i said, I am inclined to become a progressive just to see what it's like to preach tolerance while practicing so much hate.

It's not hateful when they're the hateful ones.

 

[awpitt]

Of course he is.

No. They tell you what they would like you to believe.

 

[SamSpade]

No. They tell you what they would like you to believe.

I'm not seeing the difference, language-wise.

 

[This_person]

No. They tell you what they would like you to believe.

Well, and their express desire to impose harsh consequences should you fail to become a true believer of their opinions.

 

[Hijinx]

I think if most of us went to a bakery and were told they would not make a cake for us we would look for another baker.
This whole thing was set up as a trap from the beginning.

How many would eat a cake someone was FORCED to bake.
Not me Jack.

 

[vraiblonde]

They have every right to fight for their right, because if rights are not fought for, there's no reason to believe that someone won't try to take them.

I agree that they have every right to fight government oppression, which means that they aren't really "forced" to do something against their religion. They have recourse. It may be uncomfortable for them for a period of time, but they do have a means to fight back. Unlike poor Job, who was just chit out of luck until God decided to stop tormenting him.

 

[vraiblonde]

They were "ordered to make wedding cakes for gay couples". How much clearer can this be? They weren't just fined for break some horse#### law, they were ORDERED TO BAKE CAKES FOR GAY COUPLED!

My god! Having to bake cakes for a gay couple! The horror!



Anyway, being "ordered" to do something and being "forced" to do it are two very different things. Courts can order anything they want, and we can flip them a double bird and ignore them. Yes, we'll suffer consequences of that in the short term, but there is a process for disagreeing with a screwed up judge's ruling. If they "forced" them, it would mean they took hold of this baker and physically overpowered him and actually made him bake a cake. As far as I'm aware, that's not what happened.

If they were true Christian soldiers, they would take it all the way to the Supreme Court and settle this once and for all. Hopefully that's what they are doing.

 

[vraiblonde]

No. They tell you what they would like you to believe.

And that is different from him telling you what to believe...how?

 

[PsyOps]

My god! Having to bake cakes for a gay couple! The horror!



Anyway, being "ordered" to do something and being "forced" to do it are two very different things.

You are serious about this? I don't even know what to say, except that you make it clear you don't give a damn about another person's FREE PRACTICE THEREOF.

 

[vraiblonde]

You are serious about this? I don't even know what to say, except that you make it clear you don't give a damn about another person's FREE PRACTICE THEREOF.

I don't even know why you'd say something like that. I have said that I don't agree with the government's heavy handed tactics, and I said that I hope they take it to the Supremes. What part of that indicates I don't care about free speech rights?

If you just want to jump up and down and take issue with me, forget it today. We have plans, which don't include engaging in pointless arguments with you. Try back tomorrow.

 

[PsyOps]

I don't even know why you'd say something like that. I have said that I don't agree with the government's heavy handed tactics, and I said that I hope they take it to the Supremes. What part of that indicates I don't care about free speech rights?

If you just want to jump up and down and take issue with me, forget it today. We have plans, which don't include engaging in pointless arguments with you. Try back tomorrow.

This: "My god! Having to bake cakes for a gay couple! The horror!"

What was the purpose of making this statement if you believe they should take this to the supreme court?

And, there you go again, thinking everyone that disagrees with you is "jump up and down" or losing their temper or whatever... And don't look now, but you've already engaged in this pointless argument with me.

 

[Hijinx]

This: "My god! Having to bake cakes for a gay couple! The horror!"

What was the purpose of making this statement if you believe they should take this to the supreme court?

And, there you go again, thinking everyone that disagrees with you is "jump up and down" or losing their temper or whatever... And don't look now, but you've already engaged in this pointless argument with me.

Take it to the Supreme Court sound easy, until you realize that these people had to close up the bakery already due to legal fees.
Taking things to the Supreme court costs money. M.O.N.E.Y.

 

[vraiblonde]

Take it to the Supreme Court sound easy, until you realize that these people had to close up the bakery already due to legal fees.
Taking things to the Supreme court costs money. M.O.N.E.Y.

They brought the coin, and he asked them, "Whose image is this? And whose inscription?" "Caesar's," they replied.
Then Jesus said to them, "Give back to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's." And they were amazed at him.
~Mark 12:16-17

 

[This_person]

They brought the coin, and he asked them, "Whose image is this? And whose inscription?" "Caesar's," they replied.
Then Jesus said to them, "Give back to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's." And they were amazed at him.
~Mark 12:16-17

Our money is inscribed with "In God We Trust" :shrug:

 

[Wishbone]

All others pay cash.

 

[PsyOps]

They brought the coin, and he asked them, "Whose image is this? And whose inscription?" "Caesar's," they replied.
Then Jesus said to them, "Give back to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's." And they were amazed at him.
~Mark 12:16-17

You quote it. Now tell us all what Jesus really meant?