Real Bible Prophesy, discussed.

[VoteJP]

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God said in the Bible about His prophesy that God tells the beginning prophesies from the end and tells the end prophesies in the beginning, Isaiah 49:9-10 link HERE. That is why in the New Testament it tells the beginning John 1:1-3, while in the old Testament it prophesies the last days as in Genesis 49 link HERE,

In the "Garden of Eden" is where we get the concept of the "original sin" as in the "fall of Mankind" as there is where humanity started onto the wrong course, and yet that exact same wrong is still ongoing today.

Genesis 2:15-17

15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
KJV Link HERE.

We already know a day equals a thousand years from 2 Peter 3:8, and it is reported that Adam died at 930 years link Genesis 5:5 which means Adam did die in that same 1,000 year day.

But that death was the punishment or the result of eating the fruit but that was not the actual sin which continues on to today and into the end times.

The sin was taking in the "knowledge of good and bad (evil per KJV)" and mankind still has that dysfunction of judging "good and bad" link HERE Genesis 3:22-23, and that is why our cursing never ends.

The original sin continues because people still act like God by the "knowledge of good and bad" and the one thing needed is to separate from that dysfunctional knowledge.

We only think and believe that we can actually judge "good from bad" but we can not do it correctly as that was the original sin that humanity still has.


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[VoteJP]

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The Gospel of the kingdom is ALL about Heaven and the avoidance of Hell.

Christianity has made the Gospel into that nonsense, but the real Gospel of Jesus was the Kingdom of God on Earth as it is in Heaven, link Post #13 HERE.

In fact the real Gospel of Jesus is about forgiveness and mercy and redemption and nobody being lost or left out.

Jesus paid the price in full for all of humanity so everybody everywhere for all times GETS SAVED on the Judgment Day.


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[bcp]

Christianity has made the Gospel into that nonsense, but the real Gospel of Jesus was the Kingdom of God on Earth as it is in Heaven, link Post #13 HERE.

In fact the real Gospel of Jesus is about forgiveness and mercy and redemption and nobody being lost or left out.

Jesus paid the price in full for all of humanity so everybody everywhere for all times GETS SAVED on the Judgment Day.


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actually numbnuts, Jesus paid the price so that all those before him had their sins forgiven, those that followed and are still following can only receive the forgiveness through faith in Christ.

This is simply another example of you trying to get a free ride.

Sin with no consequence, what a great idea, don't even see why any religion is needed in the first place with that theory.

 

[ItalianScallion]

JPC has made the Gospel into that nonsense, but the real Gospel of Jesus was the Kingdom of God on Earth as it is in Heaven.
In fact the real Gospel of Jesus is about forgiveness and mercy and redemption and nobody being lost or left out.
Jesus paid the price in full for all of humanity so everybody everywhere, WHO BELIEVES IN HIM AND FOLLOWS HIM, for all times GETS SAVED on the Judgment Day.

Your first line looks much more correct now.
Your second line is wrong because Jesus spoke more about hell and judgment than He did about heaven.
Your third line has been corrected also...

actually numbnuts, Jesus paid the price so that all those before him had their sins forgiven, those that followed and are still following can only receive the forgiveness through faith in Christ.
This is simply another example of you trying to get a free ride.
Sin with no consequence, what a great idea, don't even see why any religion is needed in the first place with that theory.

Democrat, entitlement mentality, free health care and eternal aftercare for all (legal or not)...Wouldn't want to be in his shoes on that "Day".

 

[ItalianScallion]

In the "Garden of Eden" is where we get the concept of the "original sin" as in the "fall of Mankind" as there is where humanity started onto the wrong course, and yet that exact same wrong is still ongoing today.

The false man made concept of "original sin" goes against too many Bible teachings: Accountability, the age of accountability, Deuteronomy 24 & Ezekiel 18 and others. If we were charged with someone elses sins, we wouldn't stand a chance of getting to Heaven so, nope, we're not born with anyone elses sin on us. Now, we're guaranteed TO sin when we get old enough to know right from wrong and we WILL be accountable for our sin when we reach our own age of accountability. Listen to your foolishness: How could babies be forgiven of their "original sin" if they were to die before realizing that they had that sin in their lives??? (Don't even try the baptism thing; we've been ALL through that before).

We already know a day equals a thousand years from 2 Peter 3:8, and it is reported that Adam died at 930 years link Genesis 5:5 which means Adam did die in that same 1,000 year day.

That verse from 2 Peter has NOTHING to do with how long someone lives.
It simply means that God is outside of (not bound by) time and space.

But that death was the punishment or the result of eating the fruit but that was not the actual sin which continues on to today and into the end times.
The sin was taking in the "knowledge of good and bad (evil per KJV)" and mankind still has that dysfunction of judging "good and bad".

The "sin", was disobeying God also. And the "death" referred to, was both physical and spiritual.

 

[VoteJP]

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The false man made concept of "original sin" goes against too many Bible teachings: Accountability, the age of accountability, Deuteronomy 24 & Ezekiel 18 and others. If we were charged with someone elses sins, we wouldn't stand a chance of getting to Heaven so, nope, we're not born with anyone elses sin on us. Now, we're guaranteed TO sin when we get old enough to know right from wrong and we WILL be accountable for our sin when we reach our own age of accountability. Listen to your foolishness: How could babies be forgiven of their "original sin" if they were to die before realizing that they had that sin in their lives??? (Don't even try the baptism thing; we've been ALL through that before).

I agree that the Christianity concept of the "original sin" is not correct, but that is why I told it correctly so it could be understood correctly.

No one is born with the original sin, but every person is born into the original sin, because it is directly taught to every child from our birthday onward by our parents and by society and every where around the baby is born into it.

A baby is NOT born with any original sin, but they are born into it, and each child is taught the dysfunction forever after their birth.

Baby baptism is like adult baptism in that it is just symbolic, and everyone gets saved on Judgment Day whether baptized or not.

The "sin", was disobeying God also. And the "death" referred to, was both physical and spiritual.

Death means "dead" as in no-life, so physical and spiritual death means DEAD dead.

The soul that sinneth, it shall die. Ezekiel 18:20 link.

So "death" and "dead" and "die" means dead DEAD and not living in Hell and not living in Heaven but dead Dead DEAD.

That is the point of a resurrection as people need to be resurrected from the DEAD or else we would remain dead.


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[Bay_Kat]

JP should be a poster geezer for Alzheimer's.

Just sayin'.

 

[ItalianScallion]

I agree that the Christianity concept of the "original sin" is not correct, but that is why I told it correctly so it could be understood correctly.

Well I'm glad to hear that but "Christianity" doesn't teach original sin. It is a man made doctrine.

Baby baptism is like adult baptism in that it is just symbolic, and everyone gets saved on Judgment Day whether baptized or not.

There should be no baby baptism because it goes directly against God's Word and, yes, adult baptism is symbolic. The second part is waayyyy WRONG as usual!

Death means "dead" as in no-life, so physical and spiritual death means DEAD dead.
The soul that sinneth, it shall die. Ezekiel 18:20 link.
So "death" and "dead" and "die" means dead DEAD and not living in Hell and not living in Heaven but dead Dead DEAD.
That is the point of a resurrection as people need to be resurrected from the DEAD or else we would remain dead.

Death means 2 things in the Bible: Physically dying and/or spiritually separated from God. Spiritual death doesn't fit your definition. If "we're all saved on judgment day", there would be no spiritual death, right? (but, of course, that's wrong)...
"The soul that sins shall die" means simply that, when someone sins, they will be forever separated from God UNLESS they break that trend by getting saved.

 

[VoteJP]

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"The soul that sins shall die" means simply that, when someone sins, they will be forever separated from God UNLESS they break that trend by getting saved.

If God is omnipotent and God is everywhere, and all life comes from God, and not even a lone sparrow drops without the Father's notice, then no person or sinner can ever be separated from God because God is everywhere.

There is nothing and no where and no condition that is separate from God.

The same is true of having a personal relationship with God in that all people every where do and does already have a personal relationship with God because God is the only source of life.

It is just that some people have an unhealthy relationship with God, or a negative or hateful relationship with God, while others might have a healthy or beautiful one, because God is everywhere so everyone does have a personal relationship with God whether they like it or not.

The message of Jesus was how to get closer to God by doing right, and getting farther away by doing wrong, but no one gets lost or left out.


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[Marie]

Hey Congrats,

I see you finally pulled some others into this, now you don't have to debate with yourself anymore.

I read something by Oliver Green today, that squashed your heresy about everyone gets saved in the end, but I know you would dismiss it, so its not worth forwarding.

 

[Marie]

If God is omnipotent and God is everywhere, and all life comes from God, and not even a lone sparrow drops without the Father's notice, then no person or sinner can ever be separated from God because God is everywhere.

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Yep, Gods even in Hell making sure his justice is being carried out.
Thats why that saying that hell is just being eternally separated from God is theologically in correct.
Besides the fact it lets out eternal punishment.
Better stated would be eternally separated from his grace and mercy, as the unregenerate now benefit from His common graces, like the air, sunshine.
But God is everywhere!

 

[Marie]

Mat 18:3 And He said, Truly I say to you, Unless you convert and become as the little children, not at all can you enter into the kingdom of Heaven.

Joh 15:6 Unless one remains in Me, he is cast out as the branch and is dried up; and they gather and throw them into a fire, and they are burned.

Mat 5:20 For I say to you, If your righteousness shall not exceed that of the scribes and Pharisees, you shall not enter into the kingdom of God, never!

Key word, Never no free pass at the end!

Social Security is for this world, and stops when you die, thats the end of the free ride If you dont have Eternal security, there is no more well faring for you!

The mountain is high, the valley is low
And you're confused 'bout which way to go
So I flew here to give you a hand
And lead you into the promised land ;-)

 

[ItalianScallion]

If God is omnipotent and God is everywhere, and all life comes from God, and not even a lone sparrow drops without the Father's notice, then no person or sinner can ever be separated from God because God is everywhere.

There is nothing and no where and no condition that is separate from God.

The same is true of having a personal relationship with God in that all people every where do and does already have a personal relationship with God because God is the only source of life.

It is just that some people have an unhealthy relationship with God, or a negative or hateful relationship with God, while others might have a healthy or beautiful one, because God is everywhere so everyone does have a personal relationship with God whether they like it or not.

The message of Jesus was how to get closer to God by doing right, and getting farther away by doing wrong, but no one gets lost or left out.

Look up the word "separated" in the Bible and you'll find loads of verses that speak of "separation from God". I know you don't follow the bible but I just don't feel like quoting anymore verses to you.

Key word, Never no free pass at the end!

Thanks Marie. There comes a time when it becomes futile to contend with, what the Bible calls, a "fool". I've reached that point with him and a few others on here...

 

[VoteJP]

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Yep, Gods even in Hell making sure his justice is being carried out.

Christians use to believe that burning people at the stake was justice when it was not.

Link HERE = Execution By Burning Stake, Executions, Burnings England including John Calvin too.

So you claim God is burning people and that makes your idea of God as some kind of monster tyrant, and your idea of justice is utterly barbaric.

The truth from the Bible (and from decency) is that God loves His enemies link Matthew 5:43-48 and love means mercy, forgiveness, peace, but not burning people forever and ever - no.

The point of Jesus paying the penalty (the punishment) on the cross was so not even one (not 1) sinful sheep would be lost or left out.


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[Marie]

Christians use to believe that burning people at the stake was justice when it was not.

Link HERE = Execution By Burning Stake, Executions, Burnings England including John Calvin too.

So you claim God is burning people and that makes your idea of God as some kind of monster tyrant, and your idea of justice is utterly barbaric.

The truth from the Bible (and from decency) is that God loves His enemies link Matthew 5:43-48 and love means mercy, forgiveness, peace, but not burning people forever and ever - no.

The point of Jesus paying the penalty (the punishment) on the cross was so not even one (not 1) sinful sheep would be lost or left out.


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No Monster, He's Merciful, Kind and Just.

You don't have to go to hell, but you choose too, because you think you have a better plan or a better way.

But there will be prideful, lovers of self, and those that love their sin more than their very soul. Gods done everything possible, other than force you to come to him and still you turn your back on him.

You make sport of twisting his word, when you know in your heart exactly what your doing and think its "great fun".

He's put you in places to hear the truth, put people in your life to help you sort through what you don't understand, given you examples of the changed lives ( far worse than yours), but your heart is hard as a rock, you want none of it!

At least the Atheist position in here is honest. You would be better off just to come out and say you don't believe in God!

He's also patient kind and loving and he waits for you to come to him just like the prodigal son.

 

[VoteJP]

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No Monster, He's Merciful, Kind and Just.

The best I can say is that you obviously do not know what those words mean.

Christianity has taught you barbarism as a religious doctrine.

1) Any God that burns people for any reason is not only a monster but a criminal and a sinner and an evil entity.

2) Burning people is not "mercy" as it is rather the opposite of mercy.

3) Burning people is not "kind" as it is rather the opposite of kindness.

4) Putting any person into a Hell link is not justice and it can not be.

5) To "love" means no pain and no more hurting for anyone, Revelation 21:4

And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. KJV, Link.

God is love, link, and God does not hurt people.


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[VoteJP]

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In the very first sentence of the Bible is the creation of the Heavens and the Earth (big Bang) and then in verse 2 the earth is covered by water and darkness. The point being is that there was a big huge space of time between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2 link HERE, because after the creation in the first place then there was war in the heavens and that is when the earth became "void" and covered by water and darkness which could have taken millions or billions of years, and what happened next is told in Psalm 104:30 "Thou sendest forth thy spirit, they are created: and thou renewest the face of the earth" link HERE, and that is what is being told in Genesis 1:2 is re-new-ing the face of the earth, as first it was created, then it was ruined, then it was repaired and made new or re-new, and then started those final 6,000 years as we are ending in today.

Genesis 1:27-28

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. Link.

That "replenish the earth" is only found in the King James Version because the Christians cut it out of every other version of the Bible, but the KJV is the correct translation.

It is "replenish" because as told in my above post-quote that the earth was populated and then the earth became ruined and God renewed the face of the earth, and so telling Adam and Eve to "replenish the earth" meant exactly that as re-do what was done before.


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[Marie]

Are you against capatial punishment?

 

[Nucklesack]

At least the Atheist position in here is honest. You would be better off just to come out and say you don't believe in God!

oh no you dont, you keep him on your team.

 

[Penn]

oh no you dont, you keep him on your team.

Actually, WE are on His team! He provides us with salvation, the Truth, and the Way!

HOORAH! Jesus is My Lord!