"Trump backs down"

[Midnightrider]

See, this is the typical BS on all of this. I am not trying to pull a win. I'm saying it isn't a loss. Zero-tolerance still in place. Illegal entry is no longer treated as a civil matter, but as a criminal matter. They aren't getting desk-tickets with a promise to appear and released into our society to fade away into obscurity with no intent to appear.

And no you don't seem to know how it works. Bills are shelved all the time without bringing them to the floor because of the known futility of the process without a hint of a filibuster. Even some that could reach the 60 vote threshold are still shelved by the expressed threat of a veto because it is known they don't have the clout to override.

Funny you aren’t mentioning the part trump was actually taking heat over; separating families for the purpose of processing them. Thats the part he backed down on.


No, you don’t seem to know how it works. This is an election year. Getting a clean immigration bill to the floor and forcing the Ds to vote no or filibuster it would have been an immeasurable advantage in the upcoming campaigns. Instead the left can point to the inaction by the right and the fact that even trump had to cave over this.

To me it is an obvious political loss for Trump partly because Trump set the expectations for what a win would be. Trump was saying that he would change the enforcement policy as part of a bigger measure that included funding for the wall. He ended up not getting that funding for the wall. In that sense it was a political loss because he had stated quite publicly that was intention.

Ultimately the visuals against Trump were worse than I think they realized they would be. Just like Trump's number dipped when he defended some of the protesters are Charlottesville---this is an issue that Trump received some support from his core base on, but overall the optics were so bad it was not a winnable issue and he had to give.

exactly.

Trumpers should pay attention. Trump was swayed by public opinion in less than a week........

 

[Gilligan]

Two bills have been moving through the House...voting is today. Then on the Senate. Schemer already opposes both.

 

[This_person]

I have no idea where the implication is that Trump backed down. Nothing in the EO changes anything with respect to current policies or procedures. He has directed the agencies follow the law, including settlements such as Flores.

The only substantive action in the EO is as follows:

The Attorney General shall promptly file a request with the U.S. District Court for the Central District of California to modify the Settlement Agreement in Flores v. Sessions, CV 85-4544 (“Flores settlement”), in a manner that would permit the Secretary, under present resource constraints, to detain alien families together throughout the pendency of criminal proceedings for improper entry or any removal or other immigration proceedings.

So, unless someone can point to a place in the EO that suggests otherwise, the actual only impact of this EO is to push this back into the court's hands, or, wait for Congress to act based on his previously-discussed four pillars (1. Wall, 2. Pathway to citizenship for 800,000 DACA people, 3. End the lottery, 4. End "chain migration") which will resolve a great deal of the issue. If they want to change the law on illegal immigrant detention, they have the ability and authority to do that as well.

 

[awpitt]

It's amazing the extent some will go to in order to justify Trump's actions. He's been claiming (falsely) that the law required the family separations and that there was nothing he could do about it. And suddenly, yesterday, he did something about it. So, was he lying or did he just lack understanding of his job?

 

[warneckutz]

...

You could back down from your whining...

 

[Kyle]

You could back down from your whining...

Optimist!

 

[JustACitizen]

It's amazing the extent some will go to in order to justify Trump's actions. He's been claiming (falsely) that the law required the family separations and that there was nothing he could do about it. And suddenly, yesterday, he did something about it. So, was he lying or did he just lack understanding of his job?

And after he signed it he handed the pen to DHS secretary who just days ago was double-swearing that it wasn’t happening.

What a mook.

 

[Midnightrider]

It's amazing the extent some will go to in order to justify Trump's actions. He's been claiming (falsely) that the law required the family separations and that there was nothing he could do about it. And suddenly, yesterday, he did something about it. So, was he lying or did he just lack understanding of his job?

Denial and partisanship are a match made in heaven. Trumpers have an alternate reality

 

[Gilligan]

It's amazing the extent some will go to in order to justify Trump's actions. He's been claiming (falsely) that the law required the family separations and that there was nothing he could do about it. And suddenly, yesterday, he did something about it. So, was he lying or did he just lack understanding of his job?

So now they'll have to expedite their removal.

 

[This_person]

It's amazing the extent some will go to in order to justify Trump's actions. He's been claiming (falsely) that the law required the family separations and that there was nothing he could do about it. And suddenly, yesterday, he did something about it. So, was he lying or did he just lack understanding of his job?

Neither.

What is it you think he did about it besides publicly tell the AG to try and get the settlement order modified? What in the EO actually changed anything at all about the current process?

Someone said earlier this was a media stunt, and it was. And, it worked. Y'all think something changed, and not a darned thing did, but now it takes the heat off of the Administration and places it where it belonged. The media messed up by touting this as a change, because now they have to move their attacks elsewhere (which means we will stop hearing about it).

 

[Kyle]

It's amazing the extent some will go to in order to justify Trump's actions. He's been claiming (falsely) that the law required the family separations and that there was nothing he could do about it. And suddenly, yesterday, he did something about it. So, was he lying or did he just lack understanding of his job?

By the Federal Courts decision, Children can only be held for 20 days, adults longer.

So tell me.

On Day 21 what happens to the kids?

 

[nutz]

When he signed this, he was backing down. He's a loser.

If he didn't sign, he's a child hater and a monster. He's a loser.

In the eyes of the left, there was no correct response.

They would be happy if he signed his letter of resignation.

 

[Kyle]

They would be happy if he signed his letter of resignation.

... And they'd begin the next wave against Pence.

This is not an aberration because it's Trump.

This is SOP for Democrats and it will only get worse until they are eradicated.

 

[Gilligan]

By the Federal Courts decision, Children can only be held for 20 days, adults longer.

So tell me.

On Day 21 what happens to the kids?

Exactly.

 

[GURPS]

.... alternate reality

 

[Hijinx]

Exactly.

Give them to the sex traffickers like Obama did.

 

[Sapidus]

The Democrats that refuse to engage in any discussion about fixing the laws they put in place?..those Democrats?

Why would they?

The republicans can accomplish whatever they want without any demands support at the moment and the republicans are too stupid to get anything done

 

[Sapidus]

This is just getting tedious. Trump made no policy change. He simply told the border patrol to enforce the laws in existence. Because they are doing it at a higher level than Obama, W, and Clinton doesn't change the fact that all of these presidents did the exact same thing, and you people on the left didn't care then. And they don't really care now.

There are tons of videos out there with Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Obama, Pelosi, Schumer... talking about how we need to get illegal immigration under control. They need to be deported. Our laws need to be enforced. My how forgetful people are. Once again, the left has manged to fabricate a crisis where none really exists. This problem has existed for decades and dredging it up now is nothing more than political drama.

Is that what Fox news told you?

Because its not true. As of April a zero tolerance policy was put in place and families were separated where before they were housed together. That is the difference. This was an intentional message to other potential asylum seekers and immigrants.

Of course other presidents spoke about getting immigration under control but you are either lying or dumb if you believe that is the same as secreting infants from their families
At least tell the truth if you are going to to try to defend immoral inhumanity

 

[Sapidus]

I wish he didn't make any changes. Time to send the message that we intend to secure our southern border. Make it as painful as possible for people trying to sneak in illegally.

And while he's at it change the rule for anchor babies, cut legal immigration to 500,000, end the visa lottery and do away with chain migration.

You know this is effecting legal asylum seekers too?

Why would you punish infants for being taken across the border by their parents. Are you sick in head?

 

[Sapidus]

Maybe, he would do that. Put it in his suggestion box. I see it as Trump knows how to play the game. He is still in control. I look at it as another brownie point that will get him elected again. We will need him, again, if America has any chance of becoming Her former self.

The outrageous thing of it all is that Trump is now being bashed for his EO; bashed if you do, and bashed if you don’t. What I don’t get is why Bush, Clinton, and Obama were not equally bashed for the immigration policies they supported; especially, Obama.

Because you moron it was Trumps policy as of April to separate families. Why is that so difficult to understand. Prior to the that families were kept together unless the child was deemed in danger.


How can you have opinions and not even understand the issue?