5 year old shot and killed by cop

AK-74me

AK-74me

"Typical White Person"
donbarzini said:
On one condition. If ,and only if, he performed an act that was outside the parameters of his deadly force training. If what he did was authorized by his Department; then it is the department which must bear the brunt of the punishment. If he exceeded the scope of his training then he is completely (but not solely)liable and I would think a charge of involuntary manslaughter is in order.
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I think that almost every deadly force training includes the words ".... as a last resort". At least any training I have had or read about so he might be on his own here. IMO unless this snake was poisionous and inches away from someone would you be able to spin this as "last resort"
 
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smcop

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AK-74me said:
I think that almost every deadly force training includes the words ".... as a last resort". At least any training I have had or read about so he might be on his own here. IMO unless this snake was poisionous and inches away from someone would you be able to spin this as "last resort"
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I don't think "as a last resort comes in to play". I believe training dictates deadly force be used when one can reasonably conclude that either they or someone else may be in imminent danger of death or serious bodily injury.
 
AK-74me

AK-74me

"Typical White Person"
smcop said:
I don't think "as a last resort comes in to play". I believe training dictates deadly force be used when one can reasonably conclude that either they or someone else may be in imminent danger of death or serious bodily injury.
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Yes, I agree. But in general using deadly force based on training I have recieved and read over the years should be used as, in general "a last resort" it was the first basic "rule" we learned when training on the use of deadly force.
 
PricklyGoo

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Deadly force:

That force which a person uses with the purpose of causing, that a person knows or should know could cause, death or serious bodily harm. Its use is justified only under conditions of extreme necessity, as a last resort, when all other methods have failed or cannot be reasonably employed.

That's the standard training and verbiage.
 
AK-74me

AK-74me

"Typical White Person"
Another Update: Sentencing will come Monday

Everyone,

We put up as big a fight as we could. We had 13 people make remarks towards giving the ex-officers jail time. At the end the Judge asked if anyone else from the court room would like to make comments and no one else did, we figured at least someone from the ex-officers families would make some kind of plea for them, but no one did. All comments made were in reference to the neglegience of the police officers. We were very impressed at the Judges descision to dismiss until Monday at 1015. We know that 99% of the time, a Judge will take the plea agreement at the DA's recommendation, so we feel that by the Judge's descision to dismiss may mean that he may reconsider and give the officers a different sentence, hopefully more strengient. Although he could surprise us and lessen it too. So we are prepared for anything at this moment. Here are more links.
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FOX25
Judge accepts ex-officers' pleas, but postpones ruling on deal
Officers Who Shot Boy Could Get Plea Deal - Oklahoma City News Story - KOCO Oklahoma City
 
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AK-74me said:
Officers Who Shot Boy Could Get Plea Deal
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YOU and I would be getting 20 yrs in a federal pen for this ...... but it looks like Po PO is going to get away with it again .......


Koff Koff .... Protected Class .... Koff Koff

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donbarzini

donbarzini

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smcop said:
Good!
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Why? Moron tries to hit an object probably at best and inch and 1/4 in diameter with no idea what background he's got. Reminds me of my younger brother when he was 4 years old. He was throwing rocks up in the air. Came running home bleeding from a scalp wound that took four stitches. Said: "I didn't know that it would come down!". If he's not smarter than a 4yo, then Involuntary Manslaughter is the least they should have done.
 
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smcop

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LateApex said:
One of these days the badge and the gun will not save your ass.

Just something to remember...
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I hope that my "ass" never needs saving. The only time I have used my gun is in the preformance of duty, and I was glad I had that tool so I could go home to my family. I am surprised that you are counting on me not having my gun to "save" me.

I think I am entitled to my opinion just as your are. I don't wish you ill will for having an opposite opinion of mine, why would you want to see not saved by my gun? As far as my badge, that can't "save" me, it's just metal.

I think the officers made a mistake and should get leniency. I have seen good people, not police officers, in my career make mistakes and I hoped for leniency for them!

I think you and Johnny wishing me ill will because I am stating my opinion is a bit harsh, but oh well. I guess that's your right as well! lol.
 
theArtistFormerlyKnownAs

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smcop said:
I hope that my "ass" never needs saving. The only time I have used my gun is in the preformance of duty, and I was glad I had that tool so I could go home to my family. I am surprised that you are counting on me not having my gun to "save" me.

I think I am entitled to my opinion just as your are. I don't wish you ill will for having an opposite opinion of mine, why would you want to see not saved by my gun? As far as my badge, that can't "save" me, it's just metal.

I think the officers made a mistake and should get leniency. I have seen good people, not police officers, in my career make mistakes and I hoped for leniency for them!

I think you and Johnny wishing me ill will because I am stating my opinion is a bit harsh, but oh well. I guess that's your right as well! lol.
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has nothing to do with wishing you ill will :shrug:

He is saying (and I am agreeing) that if you act the way you do on here, with someone in person...you better pray you have your badge on and gun handy or you will be on the wrong end of a serious ass-whoopin.

Just my opinion :shrug:
 
LateApex

LateApex

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smcop said:
I hope that my "ass" never needs saving. The only time I have used my gun is in the preformance of duty, and I was glad I had that tool so I could go home to my family. I am surprised that you are counting on me not having my gun to "save" me.

I think I am entitled to my opinion just as your are. I don't wish you ill will for having an opposite opinion of mine, why would you want to see not saved by my gun? As far as my badge, that can't "save" me, it's just metal.

I think the officers made a mistake and should get leniency. I have seen good people, not police officers, in my career make mistakes and I hoped for leniency for them!

I think you and Johnny wishing me ill will because I am stating my opinion is a bit harsh, but oh well. I guess that's your right as well! lol.
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I wasn't wishing you 'ill will.'

I was alluding to the fact that maybe one day - the entitlement some officers feel because they carry a badge and a gun - will fail.

So, you're saying the officers should get some type of leniency because they made a mistake. How fortunate it was for them that it was a 'mistake.' Let's not forget that a little boy is dead because of this 'mistake.' Let's not forget that the parents of this little boy will never see him again because of this 'mistake.'

I would think that officers receive training in common sense when using firearms. You NEVER EVER fire a gun when you don't know what's down range. NEVER.
 
MMDad

MMDad

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smcop said:
Good!
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You should get a different user name if you want to keep posting here. You may be a great person IRL, and you may be a great cop, but on here you come across as a major tool.

You have done nothing but hurt the public image of your department. You are here defending the indefensible, solely because they wear a uniform. As a veteran, I understand standing behind your brothers in arms, but there has to come a point where you say WTF.

If you can't see that in this case, I cannot imagine what it would take. Unbelievable.
 
donbarzini

donbarzini

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MMDad said:
You should get a different user name if you want to keep posting here. You may be a great person IRL, and you may be a great cop, but on here you come across as a major tool.

You have done nothing but hurt the public image of your department. You are here defending the indefensible, solely because they wear a uniform. As a veteran, I understand standing behind your brothers in arms, but there has to come a point where you say WTF.

If you can't see that in this case, I cannot imagine what it would take. Unbelievable.
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well said. And look I can give you green for two posts in one day without having to spread it around first
 
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smcop

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MMDad said:
You should get a different user name if you want to keep posting here. You may be a great person IRL, and you may be a great cop, but on here you come across as a major tool.

You have done nothing but hurt the public image of your department. You are here defending the indefensible, solely because they wear a uniform. As a veteran, I understand standing behind your brothers in arms, but there has to come a point where you say WTF.

If you can't see that in this case, I cannot imagine what it would take. Unbelievable.
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Have you read my post? I said these guys were wrong from the start. As far as hurting the public image of my department, I have never said where I work publicly. If the prosecutor sees fit to give these guys a deal such as this, then who are you or anyone else to disagree?

Why is it I can't have an opinon opposite of anyone else? Or of everyone else! Isn't that the very rule of this great nation of ours? Why not have diversity of opinions? Should we all agree about everything.

I never insult anyone until insulted. I have had plenty of people, including you disagree with me but I have never said a bad word to you.

In my real life, I could never give the opinion that I share here. I have to maintain a certain standard, no matter what is said to me. I get to come here and give my opinon and say what I will. Ok, for you I will change my name.
 
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