5 Year Old Temper Tantrum

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itsbob said:
THAT"s a fact.. The headlines wouldn't have read "Five year old handcuffed" it would have been "handicapped five year old handcuffed".

Personally watching the video, and granted I'm not a doctor (I just play one on the internet) I'd say she doesn't have a mental problem.. and she knows the difference between right and wrong. I might have believed it is she kept up the antics when the cops arrived, but the way she sat down and shut up when she saw them out the window?? Nope.. not buying it.
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Emotional disturbance (psychosis) does not mean you don't know the difference from right and wrong, despite what they tell you on t.v. :wink: After all, even the Menendez brothers respected the cops and other authority figures, but do you really think they didn't have something odd going on in their heads?
 
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itsbob said:
So the way to handle an unruly child is to get them diagnosed then drug them into compliance and oblivion??

I don't think so.. to borrow from the religious thread..

Spare the ROD spoil the child..

Any child that acts out now, or doesn't do well in school HAS to have a problem, needs to be diagnosed, then drugged to the point they don't even know reality from Sponge Bob. Nobody's kid is just stupid anymore.. or 'bad' it has to be somebody or something else's fault.
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Now you are talking generalities. Generally, kids are overdiagnosed. However, certain disorders do obviously exist and can't be corrected through the "rod".
It isn't a cure all. I believe very much we have built an entitled generation that needs a good thwacking instead of medication. Yet, that doesn't mean all can be handled that way or that the parents haven't been completely capable.

Yet again, to digress to experience, we had one kid in juvenile whose mother was actually the picture of behavior modification, perfect enforcement, etc... she was the lead person to call on for school districts to deal with tough children and find ways to work with them (even those from severly dysfunctional homes) and get them straightened up. She made lots of money doing it. Ironically, her own child was in juvenile.

He was there for sexual crimes against a girl and breaking and entering (to steal porn of all things). Do you think she could have done anything more? Do you think that wasn't a natural psychosis?
 
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FromTexas said:
Emotional disturbance (psychosis) does not mean you don't know the difference from right and wrong, despite what they tell you on t.v. :wink: After all, even the Menendez brothers respected the cops and other authority figures, but do you really think they didn't have something odd going on in their heads?
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Well that said, anyone that murders another person must have a "disable" and therefore none of them should ever go to jail, they should get treatment at an outpatient clinic (NIMBY though)... Memendez brothers didn't have a mental disorder (what are the chances TWO brothers would have the identical mental problem?) they were just greedy spoiled kids that HAD to get their way no matter what!
 
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itsbob said:
Well that said, anyone that murders another person must have a "disable" and therefore none of them should ever go to jail, they should get treatment at an outpatient clinic (NIMBY though)... Memendez brothers didn't have a mental disorder (what are the chances TWO brothers would have the identical mental problem?) they were just greedy spoiled kids that HAD to get their way no matter what!
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Again, generalities... Thats like using spoileds argument that all Republicans must be racist because the KKK are mostly Republican.

Despite what you seem to believe Bob... there is no black and white. Its why we are given higher order thinking. :wink:
 
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elaine said:
I haven't read this entire thread, but why was the attorney fired, and why has the little girl been moved out of state?

http://www.tampabays10.com/news/news.aspx?storyid=13530
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I would imagine because of all the media attention. I am sure everyone knows her there, and any parent would want to get out of the limelight.

Or, the mother knows there are things going on at home that are very wrong and lead to her behavior and she is avoiding investigation.
 
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vraiblonde said:
I think the kid's path is pretty clear. She will certainly be bragging some day that her first arrest was at age 5. But it's still too bad that there's no one that's willing to help guide this child instead of just throwing her into the system. It's not her fault she was born to some worthless woman who couldn't care less.
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None of this sounds at all like you, Jimmy Carter maybe but not kick azz Vrai. This kid is already a misfit in society and if I understood ALL of the tapes, she and her mother should have been dealt with the first time around. If the brat was truly psycho, I don't think the sight of the cops would have made her back off like she did.
 
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willie said:
None of this sounds at all like you, Jimmy Carter maybe but not kick azz Vrai. This kid is already a misfit in society and if I understood ALL of the tapes, she and her mother should have been dealt with the first time around. If the brat was truly psycho, I don't think the sight of the cops would have made her back off like she did.
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Charles Manson recognized cops as being authority figures. It depends on the disorder. Insanity is not all psychosis. True insanity can have trouble distinguishing right from wrong, but its not a definitive. Psyhosis comes in many forms. The most charismatic psychotics knew very much what they were doing was wrong, and that is why they learned charming behaviors and how to cover their tracks. Ted Bundy was supposed to be able to charm anybody and he recognized how to avoid getting caught for so long. Does it mean he was any less off his rocker?
 
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FromTexas said:
Charles Manson recognized cops as being authority figures. It depends on the disorder. Insanity is not all psychosis. True insanity can have trouble distinguishing right from wrong, but its not a definitive. Psyhosis comes in many forms. The most charismatic psychotics knew very much what they were doing was wrong, and that is why they learned charming behaviors and how to cover their tracks. Ted Bundy was supposed to be able to charm anybody and he recognized how to avoid getting caught for so long. Does it mean he was any less off his rocker?
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All the more reason this should have been dealt with when the problem first showed itself. The other taxpaying parents should not have to have their kids exposed to this out of control brat. The teachers were powerless to do anything other than what they did because of the "Jimmy Carter" approach to handling any bad situation......give it a hug and all is good :duh: What were the cops going to do? Stun gun? Baton? The wonderful momma had already instructed them to cuff her and it was the same cop. Until the liberal "hug me" types realize that some kids and parents will only respond to harsh consequences, the school system will be a playground for bully's.
 
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willie said:
None of this sounds at all like you, Jimmy Carter maybe but not kick azz Vrai.
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She's just a baby - it's not her fault. It's the fault of her mother, #1, and the bullshit school system that doesn't allow education professionals to effectively discipline their students.

If she were an older teenager, sure - I'd say get out the stun gun. But she's just a 5 year old and there's still time to get her on a good path, with the right role models and teaching.
 
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FromTexas said:
Charles Manson recognized cops as being authority figures. It depends on the disorder. Insanity is not all psychosis. True insanity can have trouble distinguishing right from wrong, but its not a definitive. Psyhosis comes in many forms. The most charismatic psychotics knew very much what they were doing was wrong, and that is why they learned charming behaviors and how to cover their tracks. Ted Bundy was supposed to be able to charm anybody and he recognized how to avoid getting caught for so long. Does it mean he was any less off his rocker?
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I can't say that I ever really agree with you on practically anything you ever said but you're right on target with this one. What may I ask is your background on this subject that gives you such insight.

I watched the video start to finish. I can't say that I was too terribly shocked having seen my child do things very similiar to that little girl in my own home. He's autistic or autistic spectrum and when he's out of control there's very little that can be done to reel him in. Take it from someone who's still living in this situation, exchanging anger/violence for anger/violence is just making me feel better temporarily. Except for following the child around so closely (and that's only a method I found wrong with my child) I think those teachers handled the situation beautifully. I've had the police out to my house when my child has gotten violent towards me. He's afraid of them, they're an unknown factor to him. I'm familiar, just as the school/teachers were familiar to the child in the report, he feels comfortable getting violent around me. Does that mean he's putting on? Trust me, he's truly unable to control it but would run in fear if the police show up. I was in denial for nearly five years that something was wrong with my child and perhaps this mother is too. I think it's instinctive that she's defending her child and probably embarrassment that she moved. I'd be willing to bet there's something not quite right with this little girl

As far as medication is concerned people, take if from this parent, I am grateful that it exists.
 
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I worked as a special education teacher for two years. My undergraduate was a B.S. in speech-language pathology and psychology.
 
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vraiblonde said:
She's just a baby - it's not her fault. It's the fault of her mother, #1, and the bullshit school system that doesn't allow education professionals to effectively discipline their students.

If she were an older teenager, sure - I'd say get out the stun gun. But she's just a 5 year old and there's still time to get her on a good path, with the right role models and teaching.
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Agreed, it could happen but it would take a type of education system that this namby pamby society would not tolerate. Until then, for the safety of the other lives she affects, cuff the little turd and give her time-outs away from her lovable mom.
 
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vraiblonde said:
She's just a baby - it's not her fault. It's the fault of her mother, #1, and the bullshit school system that doesn't allow education professionals to effectively discipline their students.
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Its not the school system that doesn't allow effective discipline without taking it to the extreme. Its the Dr. Spock liberalized mandates that fall down on the school districts from above, and, again, if she has a true emotional disturbance, it may have little to do with discipline.
 
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vraiblonde said:
She's just a baby - it's not her fault. It's the fault of her mother, #1, and the bullshit school system that doesn't allow education professionals to effectively discipline their students.

If she were an older teenager, sure - I'd say get out the stun gun. But she's just a 5 year old and there's still time to get her on a good path, with the right role models and teaching.
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I agree, this behavior was learned at home. A five year old cannot comprehend being handcuffed by the police. All it would do is frighten her without her knowing why and that's abusive.
 
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