5 Year Old Temper Tantrum

[BadGirl]

If they work. If they don't work, then essentially you're just beating the kid.

That's a great consolation prize, if you ask me.

 

[Kizzy]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to BadGirl again.

 

[K_Jo]

That's a great consolation prize, if you ask me.

You wouldn't beat your cats though, right?

 

[FromTexas]

The mother who has lost control is the one who said the cop could put the handcuffs on if you listen... sounds like she had given up, as well. Although, that is very disappointing because the mother should be the enforcer.

That girl needs to be in a classroom for the emotionally disturbed where the teachers are taut and allowed to use reasonable restraint. She is definitely up there on the special education list for that type of closed classroom.

Also, her home environment needs to be investigated to make sure that is not that causing behavior. However, I have worked with several ED kids when I worked special education... there are just some Emotional Disorders (psychopathies) that cause that, no matter what the mom or anyone else did. No way to know without knowing the full situation.

She did she immediate respect toward the officer when he showed, so apparently, she does recognize some authority. That is a start. It may mean she has no respect for women since the rest of the authority figures were or she just knows police officers as a true authority.

 

[Mikeinsmd]

If they work. If they don't work, then essentially you're just beating the kid.

Well I'll never condone that but this brat knew when she saw the cops that there was repercussions to her actions. To quote an intelligent person:

She's seen what the police do to people who act dumb, but has never witnessed her teachers or parent(s) punish someone.

It would appear to me she needs her lil ass spanked because it obviously hasn't happened yet!!

 

[Nickel]

That's a great consolation prize, if you ask me.

But it teaches the child that violence is the answer to all conflict. Sounds ghey, I know, but my cousin, who is my age, was consistently beat up on as a child by his father. He's literally the smartest guy I know, but he had serious behavioral problems as a result, dropped out of high school, and is only alive today by the grace of God. Luckily he was able to recognize his saving graces and get his life back on track, but not all abusees turn out that well. I do spank my son. If I tell him not to do something, and he does it anyways, he gets a spank, and it gets his attention. But if he's throwing a fit, spanking him does not work, I've tried. And I'm not going to just hit him because it makes me feel like I've done something, because in the end, I will have done more harm than good. That's just how I feel about it.:shrug:

 

[Mikeinsmd]

But it teaches the child that violence is the answer to all conflict. Sounds ghey, I know, but my cousin, who is my age, was consistently beat up on as a child by his father. He's literally the smartest guy I know, but he had serious behavioral problems as a result, dropped out of high school, and is only alive today by the grace of God. Luckily he was able to recognize his saving graces and get his life back on track, but not all abusees turn out that well. I do spank my son. If I tell him not to do something, and he does it anyways, he gets a spank, and it gets his attention. But if he's throwing a fit, spanking him does not work, I've tried. And I'm not going to just hit him because it makes me feel like I've done something, because in the end, I will have done more harm than good. That's just how I feel about it.:shrug:

Your mindset is ok Nick. You can't compare an abused child such as your cousin's situation to this one though. There is an obvious line when it comes to spankings. You sound like a good mom who knows this. Too bad all moms don't.

 

[BadGirl]

You wouldn't beat your cats though, right?

Of course not.

 

[Pete]

I think it's the fact that she refuses to accept the teachers' authority, as well as her parent(s). She's seen what the police do to people who act dumb, but has never witnessed her teachers or parent(s) punish someone.

It is because the Trial Lawyers Association, the NEA, the court system and the ACLU have neutered the teachers and principals.

How many of you would want your state income taxes increased so they can pay $100,000 to the vermin who spawned that creature? As long as there are lawyers who will sue for 50% of the judgement, juries who will blindly award huge sums to scum, judges who will not set aside BS awards of punative damages, this crap will go on. This scuz bucket parent runs a pretty good chance of actually being rewarded ($$) instead of being made to walk back and forth in front of the school wearing a sandwich board sign that say "I suck as a parent, I am run by my 5 year old" for 4 hours a day for a couple weeks.

What does it say about our society when vermin are rewarded instead of shamed? Part of the problem is that there are no reppercussions to parents who let their children run wild. They don't care what little Annabelle does because it has no impact on the mother at all. They probably joke about it when they are busting back a gin and juice. "My little chic tore the hell out of that school, the wuss ass teacher was walking around chanting like a fat parrot "Thats not acceptable.......bawwwwwk .....Thats not acceptable...bawwwwk :"

I am all about public humiliation for scum. Break out the big sing to hang around their neck and let them pace back and forth in the hood a few hours a day. I bet you mom would take matters into hand when she has her friends driving by laughing at her all day.

As far as busting the 5 year olds ass I suppose it would be a start. She does know what is right and wrong and consequences because she clammed up and sat down the minute she saw the cops. However can you beat a dog for crapping on the carpet one day out of the blue when you have had it 2 years and never house broke it?

 

[virgovictoria]

I still believe that a child - even a child of 5 - knows appropriate behavior from inappropriate behavior.

[Mike]

Of course they do. As K_JO pointed out, she behaved the second she saw the police.

I am sticking to my instincts.. This little budding treasure is learning way too early the severe extremes of cause and effect of actions and what happens when they aren't enforced and what you can get away with. Most five year-olds are horrified to have to sit alone in their room in time out for misbehaving. She is already learning criminal behavior. Remorse for her actions is not what she was acting on when she suddenly "came to" when the police arrived. The consequences were staring her in the face - not feelings of guilt.

The media on this one can KMA - as usual. You know where they'll be when this gem pulls off some heinous crime w/out a conscience in the future ~ just because she could..?? The media will also then be >>> Horrified!! Outraged!! After she beats the crap out of her own mother for mouthing off to her or something first, that is... and then continues on some spree of destruction..

Crazy, I tell you..

 

[Pete]

The liberals wonder why there is suck a conservative uprising. It is because they have tried their love in and made a freaking horrible mess of things. Metal detectors at schools, crap like this, people pumping out illegitimate children and staying on the dole for eons.

Take back America

 

[K_Jo]

The liberals wonder why there is suck a conservative uprising. It is because they have tried their love in and made a freaking horrible mess of things. Metal detectors at schools, crap like this, people pumping out illegitimate children and staying on the dole for eons.

Take back America

The terrorists have won.

 

[Mikeinsmd]

I am all about public humiliation for scum. Break out the big sign to hang around their neck and let them pace back and forth in the hood a few hours a day. I bet you mom would take matters into hand when she has her friends driving by laughing at her all day.

I love this idea~!!!

 

[vraiblonde]

I think the kid's path is pretty clear. She will certainly be bragging some day that her first arrest was at age 5. But it's still too bad that there's no one that's willing to help guide this child instead of just throwing her into the system. It's not her fault she was born to some worthless woman who couldn't care less.

 

[FromTexas]

I think the kid's path is pretty clear. She will certainly be bragging some day that her first arrest was at age 5. But it's still too bad that there's no one that's willing to help guide this child instead of just throwing her into the system. It's not her fault she was born to some worthless woman who couldn't care less.

You are insisting that she is in no way emotionally disturbed (schizo, severly bipolar, antisocial disorder, etc...). If she is one of those things, there is not much the parent can do to fix the behavior... that needs extensive treatment. What she did do wrong is tell police to put her in cuffs if she was in trouble at school again. What she needs to do is get a full diagnosis and someone needs to check the home enviornment to rule out "influencing" factors. It could be either/or, but there is no way to tell from a snippet of a video and a news story. After all, we know how much to trust the news interpretation of anything.

 

[vraiblonde]

You are insisting that she is in no way emotionally disturbed (schizo, severly bipolar, antisocial disorder, etc...).

I am not insisting anything of the sort. But I think I can say with some conviction that with the way the media has been playing this story, if the child had a physical or mental handicap, we'd have certainly heard about it.

 

[Bogart]

The tiggerists have won.

:fixed:

 

[FromTexas]

I am not insisting anything of the sort. But I think I can say with some conviction that with the way the media has been playing this story, if the child had a physical or mental handicap, we'd have certainly heard about it.

Thats just it. If the mom hasn't signed her over for an evaluation, then there hasn't been one. Also, do you really trust the media to know about a handicapping condition? Especially one that the school is not allowed to express exists if the child has one? Confidentiality laws for special education are paramount.

I remember working at Juvenile teaching and we had a student come in who had commited several infractions in school that were violent in nature. However, his case and the surrounding circumstances were all related to a special education need. Yet, all that made it into the media on his arrest was the final trigger (a story written by the student expressing violent tendencies). The news bombarded the district and the detention center about taking zero tolerance too far. The school, nor the detention center, could defend against the media/parents allegations without consent of the parents.

Thus, the parents had all the firepower over what they chose to tell the news and the school district was handicapped and couldn't respond with the lenghty history of the child that made any threat of violence a probable occurance... whether in story form or otherwise.

The same could be true here.

Also, after watching the video, I find it amazingly surprising if the child does not have some sort of emotional disturbance. It may have overriding environmental influences, but the damage is obviously done whether purely natural or environmental. I am just saying it is hard to say who really caused this problem or if it isn't naturally occuring based on a simple video and news story. Especially with the way school districts are handicapped from responding and from even doing more than they did...

 

[itsbob]

You are insisting that she is in no way emotionally disturbed (schizo, severly bipolar, antisocial disorder, etc...). If she is one of those things, there is not much the parent can do to fix the behavior... that needs extensive treatment. What she did do wrong is tell police to put her in cuffs if she was in trouble at school again. What she needs to do is get a full diagnosis and someone needs to check the home enviornment to rule out "influencing" factors. It could be either/or, but there is no way to tell from a snippet of a video and a news story. After all, we know how much to trust the news interpretation of anything.

So the way to handle an unruly child is to get them diagnosed then drug them into compliance and oblivion??

I don't think so.. to borrow from the religious thread..

Spare the ROD spoil the child..

Any child that acts out now, or doesn't do well in school HAS to have a problem, needs to be diagnosed, then drugged to the point they don't even know reality from Sponge Bob. Nobody's kid is just stupid anymore.. or 'bad' it has to be somebody or something else's fault.

 

[itsbob]

I am not insisting anything of the sort. But I think I can say with some conviction that with the way the media has been playing this story, if the child had a physical or mental handicap, we'd have certainly heard about it.

THAT"s a fact.. The headlines wouldn't have read "Five year old handcuffed" it would have been "handicapped five year old handcuffed".

Personally watching the video, and granted I'm not a doctor (I just play one on the internet) I'd say she doesn't have a mental problem.. and she knows the difference between right and wrong. I might have believed it is she kept up the antics when the cops arrived, but the way she sat down and shut up when she saw them out the window?? Nope.. not buying it.