PsyOps
Pixelated
Where did you come up with this number? Exactly how are 20% of all human fetuses are aborted naturally? If this were even remotely true, how does this justify humans butchering humans?
Abortion moves to the next sickening phase
- Thread starter PsyOps
- Start date
Where did you come up with this number? Exactly how are 20% of all human fetuses are aborted naturally? If this were even remotely true, how does this justify humans butchering humans?
C
czygvtwkr
Guest
Then butchering and incinerating babies with the ordinary trash is justified.
Question, the disposal of the fetuses obviously is part of the abortion is wrong argument, have you done anything other than condemn people to try to lessen the number of abortions?
The problem I have with most pro-life and pro-choice people is they want to argue, fight, call each other names etc, I think everyone agrees an abortion is not a good thing even if just physically on the mother, why don't they do whatever they can to try to lessen the number of abortions? Hand out condoms, offer to take the young pregnant and scared in if they have no where to go etc? I'll tell you why because they only care as long as they are not inconvenienced by finding a solution to this "problem" that they find so horrible. So until either side do everything they can I don't give a damn what any of them say because they are just a bunch of hypocrites.
PsyOps
Pixelated
If you’re asking if I have protested in front of abortion clinics and such… no, I don’t believe in doing that. I just want to be a rational voice against abortion. I want a serious conversation about self-discipline and personal responsibility. If you’ve read my posts on abortion in here, I am against it but do not want government to make the decision. I want society to come to the conclusion that abortion is morally wrong and should only be as an extreme last resort for the life of the mother or if the baby were to be born with extremely low quality of life. I believe at conception that it is a human LIFE and we should hold that concept dear, as we – that are fortunate enough to be have life – were once in that state. So, when I have the opportunity to speak out against it I will. My solution to the problem is societal change; something I know isn’t going to happen. So all I’m left with is talking about it with folks. The only other option is to stay silent; and I won’t do that.
C
czygvtwkr
Guest
No I mean actually doing something, in a positive way. Protesting, talking about it is really just blowing hot air.
SO you really care about it, but not enough to actually do something substantial is what you are saying.
PsyOps
Pixelated
So I understand you... every subject we talk about in here and take a position on we should be out there doing something about that cause? It’s not enough to simply have discussions? But I’ll make sure I get out there and change society. You in?
C
czygvtwkr
Guest
If people feel as strongly as they say they do, then they should. What do you feel more strongly about than abortion? Do you even feel strongly about it? If you do feel strongly about it and still do nothing other than talk about it then would sort of thing would it take to make you actually do something about?
Now when I say something like stamps should only cost $0.45 I don't exactly feel that strongly about it that I will tell people that they are going against god etc etc.
PsyOps
Pixelated
The constitution. I support candidates that support the constitution. Music. I love and play music and am a big advocate against copyright infringement. Heart disease. I contribute to many charities for heart disease. Our military. I support charities for our military. I work side-by-side with them and am on a constant quest to convince them to make careers of the military. I am against a plethora of things (murder, child abuse, rape, domestic abuse, animal abuse, puppy mills, littering, cutting in line at the grocery store, people coughing without covering their mouth, etc…) but I just don’t have the time to take on a cause of every one of them; but I can speak out against them. I am strongly against abortion to the level where I will have discussions with folks to convince them of the evil of it; but I draw the line with interfering in people’s personal decisions of these kinds of things.
Zguy28
New Member
Now you know that wouldn't fit his anti-God agenda. Sheesh.
C
czygvtwkr
Guest
Ok lets look at things this way. Al Gore he makes movies and blah blahs about climate change all the time but does nothing himself. I have no respect for him and think he is either a hypocrite or thinks he is above everyone else because his carbon footprint is about 1000x what mine is. Now Ed Bagley Jr or Bill Nye the Science Guy, while I don't agree with them on everything or even most things they atleast are doing something however they can and I can respect that and am far more likely to listen to them. I am just saying be a Bill Nye and not an Al Gore if you believe in something that strongly, otherwise I don't think you really do you just want to say you do.
PsyOps
Pixelated
First of all I don’t Al Gore believes one bit of what he’s promoting. That makes his efforts meaningless to me. Bagley and Nye have chosen what they want to promote. But what are they really doing beyond talking about global warming? Again, like Al Gore, promoting fiction. Do you hear them running doing anything about cancer, or Parkinson’s, or the constitution, or our eroding military? I’m sure they have opinions on those things, but they have chosen what’s important to them and are active in trying to do something about it. I’m not sure how you conclude I’m an Al Gore when I believe in what I’m talking about. I think I have been consistent on it. You think I just discuss this in this forum? But I chose what I want to make more important in my life and how I decide to support that cause. I choose to have discussions with people that invite me into the discussion. I think abortion is a deeply person issue that doesn’t need me sticking my nose into it without invite. So I don’t feel reason to push for laws that ban abortion, or work for anti-abortion causes, or walk around a mall handing out anti-abortion leaflets. I’m content with having a discussion about where abortion is going and how society has changed that has made it more and more mortifying. I feel that way about a lot of things where society has changed. Guns is another one. I am slowly getting more active in the movement that is against these gun laws. That’s a constitutional matter that I deserves our intervention and direct involvement.
C
czygvtwkr
Guest
Nye and Bagley actually live in a manner that they think will help their chosen causes. Gore on the other hand just flaps his gums and exhausts hot air.
As someone that really has no opinion on abortion other than it is physically harmful to the mother (friend of mine almost died in a routine perfectly legal procedure) I am tired of hearing people yell and scream and basically try to shove their opinion down my throat when they do nothing themselves to try to help the actual cause that they annoy the hell out of me with. Personally I see people like you and the pro-choice side as people that only want to control my thoughts and feelings but don't actually care enough about it to be bothered to do anything else. I just wish people like that would shut up about it and quit bothering me, their time could be spent in way more productive manners to their cause that is "oh so important".
So if you think you are right, why aren't you actually doing anything useful?
PsyOps
Pixelated
I’m not shoving anything down your throat – at least nothing that you haven’t voluntarily taken. You do have the choice of ignoring it and walking away. I’m tired of abortion and you are challenging me on not being active enough towards that cause. You’re tired of people yelling and screaming about abortion and really doing nothing about it? What are you doing about those people that annoy you?
I don’t have to justify myself to anyone about how I deal with anything. Just because I’m not out there serving some cause to eradicate a problem doesn’t mean I can’t have an opinion about it and don’t care enough about it. I feel like I’m doing something useful right now… I’m having a conversation. There are 3 ways to stop abortion:
- Have our government ban it and enforce it strictly (I disagree with this).
- Get out there and FORCE women to stop having abortions (this would require either blowing up abortion clinics or physically restraining women from going into an abortion clinic - can’t do that).
- Have a conversation about it.
I happen to think the last one is the best option for me. If you don’t like it, don’t listen. Ignore it. Nothing bothers you unless you let it in. If you’re going to join in to the discussion, at least have something constructive and substantive to offer rather than challenging people that they aren’t doing enough and claiming they annoy you. I honestly don’t care if what I do annoys you. Although I have entertained your questions, I really don’t have to. I don’t owe you any sort of explanation about how I decide to deal with things. I’m done with this little game you’re playing.
Last edited:
That's pretty much what we do here, debate point and try to convince others that our point is correct. Or sometimes we just vent.
Yet why is it when someone states an opinion counter to one's own, it is taken as "shoving it down their throat"? Are we that insecure in our beliefs that we cannot disagree or acknowledge a differing opinion? I got all worked up about those crazy animal people who wanted to converge on that Ridge guy's house, kill him, and string his dog up on a pole, but that indicates an actual threat not only to him but to anyone else these wild-eyed psychos take an interest in. To get all jacked up about someone's religious beliefs, or beliefs on abortion, is stupid. Those people are not in a position to hurt you, nor has any threat been implied.
puggymom
Active Member
C
czygvtwkr
Guest
Ok maybe you are just short sighted but there are more than three options. How about do charity work for adoption that helps the scared would be mothers through their pregnancy? How about do all you can to prevent unwanted pregnancy?
I think you just want to be against something or for something without having any real conviction. Until your type show some conviction, go about it in a positive way, and prove yourselves to people like me then I find you nothing more than a bored housewife (metaphorically) that needs a cause.
FYI this isn't directed only at you so don't take it personally but I find just about everyone that feels "strongly" about abortion one way or the other exactly alike.
Last edited by a moderator:
C
czygvtwkr
Guest
blazinlow89
Big Poppa
Yet why is it when someone states an opinion counter to one's own, it is taken as "shoving it down their throat"? Are we that insecure in our beliefs that we cannot disagree or acknowledge a differing opinion? I got all worked up about those crazy animal people who wanted to converge on that Ridge guy's house, kill him, and string his dog up on a pole, but that indicates an actual threat not only to him but to anyone else these wild-eyed psychos take an interest in. To get all jacked up about someone's religious beliefs, or beliefs on abortion, is stupid. Those people are not in a position to hurt you, nor has any threat been implied.
People wanting to force justice like another case that we all knew so well, Amerika the great.
As for the abortions, well in my eyes most people who are pro abortion are also democrats. If the democrats keep aborting babies then they will have fewer voters in the future, let alone the fact that these childless people will not pass on their genes and ideals to future generations. Also they may not believe in god, so in their eyes it may be no problem religiously. While in other eyes they are going to spend an eternity in hell.
PsyOps
Pixelated
Well, I see you’ve found your cause… Blowing hot air about other people not living up your nit-witted standards.
Make sure you get out there and rally your cause now. Don’t just sit in this forum telling everyone what failures they are for not living up to your standards of serving causes. I expect a report of your activities next weekend.
ProximaCentauri
Member
The fact that you chose to start a blog about abortion instead of one addressing the suffering of 3rd world children, supports my point. That is not to say that Christians have no concern with this issue, to be sure there are Christians devoting great energy to this.
In my view, the whole of Christianity should prioritize saving the lives of the already born.
By the way, it is always the wiser approach to compose your responses in a manner consistent with civil discourse, especially when you start a blog. That is, unless you want to appear as a petulant teenager. Realize that you have influence on the tone of the debate and if you want the discussions to be a productive way to explore issues, as you say you do, keep it civil.