Abortion

Gwydion

New Member
I'm glad you are laughing at that, because the absurdity of it was my point. That anyone with a healthy view of the sacredness of human life would find it idiotic to kill someone else as a choice of convenience (better than 90% of abortions, per Planned Parenthood, are for convenience).

No, because, once again, our views of when it is a "human life" differ.
 

This_person

Well-Known Member
No, because, once again, our views of when it is a "human life" differ.
Right. Mine is backed up by the medical area of developmental biology, doctors, reasearchers, and British law.

Yours twists in the wind to fit your current sarcastic argument, and is not able to be upheld to the slightest of scrutiny.
 

Gwydion

New Member
Right. Mine is backed up by the medical area of developmental biology, doctors, reasearchers, and British law.

Yours twists in the wind to fit your current sarcastic argument, and is not able to be upheld to the slightest of scrutiny.

Strange. I thought we were in the good ol US of A. And until you can (again) find me a doctor that feels that a fetus can live with their mother dead and without machine assistance, I'm going to say my logic is quite true and solid.
 

This_person

Well-Known Member
Strange. I thought we were in the good ol US of A. And until you can (again) find me a doctor that feels that a fetus can live with their mother dead and without machine assistance, I'm going to say my logic is quite true and solid.
And, by that same logic, anyone on a breathing machine is not alive, either. This, my friend, is where your "logic" fails you. Because, it is not correct.
 

Xaquin44

New Member
Strange. I thought we were in the good ol US of A. And until you can (again) find me a doctor that feels that a fetus can live with their mother dead and without machine assistance, I'm going to say my logic is quite true and solid.

He's just got a stick up him bum because his wife or GF or whatever got one.
 

This_person

Well-Known Member
He's just got a stick up him bum because his wife or GF or whatever got one.
Actually, it's a healthy respect for human life. I guess you wouldn't understand that.

But, feel free to take me off ignore and get in the debate. You've never been good at it before, so it could be fun again (for me).
 

Gwydion

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And, by that same logic, anyone on a breathing machine is not alive, either. This, my friend, is where your "logic" fails you. Because, it is not correct.

Nope, the person was and still is alive. The baby has yet to become alive. Until then, it is not a unique living thing. It is a subset of a living thing.
 

This_person

Well-Known Member
Nope, the person was and still is alive. The baby has yet to become alive. Until then, it is not a unique living thing. It is a subset of a living thing.
Oh, UNIQUE is now your buzzword. You're suggesting the baby and the mother do not have unique (from each other) DNA?
 

Gwydion

New Member
Actually, it's a healthy respect for human life. I guess you wouldn't understand that.

But, feel free to take me off ignore and get in the debate. You've never been good at it before, so it could be fun again (for me).

I have respect for all human life. Sadly, what you are describing is not a human life. Yet.
 

theArtistFormerlyKnownAs

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Actually, it's a healthy respect for human life. I guess you wouldn't understand that.

But, feel free to take me off ignore and get in the debate. You've never been good at it before, so it could be fun again (for me).

A 70 year old that needs a breathing machine has a life.
A fetus is simply a potential life. :yay:
 

Gwydion

New Member
Oh, UNIQUE is now your buzzword. You're suggesting the baby and the mother do not have unique (from each other) DNA?

Once again tossing words into what I am saying. And unique is so you can attempt to understand a bit more.

Irregardless of the differences between the fetus and the woman, they are one living thing. Remove the living portion and the fetus dies. Remove the fetus and the living thing lives.

One living thing.
 

This_person

Well-Known Member
Once again tossing words into what I am saying. And unique is so you can attempt to understand a bit more.
What word did I toss in? :killingme
Irregardless of the differences between the fetus and the woman, they are one living thing. Remove the living portion and the fetus dies. Remove the fetus and the living thing lives.

One living thing.
One living thing, with two unique DNA's, blood systems, brains, etc., etc.

Can you define what makes them the same, with all of the unique differences? You've mentioned dependency before, is that your sole reason for considering them one life (since, clearly they are scientifically two lives - one dependant upon the other)
 

Gwydion

New Member
What word did I toss in? :killingmeOne living thing, with two unique DNA's, blood systems, brains, etc., etc.

Can you define what makes them the same, with all of the unique differences? You've mentioned dependency before, is that your sole reason for considering them one life (since, clearly they are scientifically two lives - one dependant upon the other)


How are the scientifically two lives? Find me any other example of a living thing that is dependant on the other, else it dies immediately.
 

Cowgirl

Well-Known Member
How are the scientifically two lives? Find me any other example of a living thing that is dependant on the other, else it dies immediately.

That's not a good argument. There are plenty of parasites that depend on hosts for life.
 
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