Abortion

puggymom

puggymom

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puggymom said:
That is not what I meant. I mean it's rights are valued as any other person to the point that the woman become's a second class citizen while pregnant?
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I should actually amend this to women....all pregnant women despite their 'want' for the child. If you give a fetus equal rights under the law it is a very slippery slope than can lead to all pregnant women treated as second class citizens. Things like having a glass of wine, well that is child abuse. Your OB insists you need a c-section, well your say means nothing because he can seek a court order to force such all for the rights of the child. That to me is very scary.
 
Beta84

Beta84

They're out to get us
Gwydion said:
So I don't understand. If murder is the killing of a person, how can the predetermined killing of an innocent person not be murder?
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you brushed right over the definition i gave you, huh? go back a few pages and you'll realize your definition of murder is incorrect :yay:
 
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Gwydion

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ok..
Beta84 said:
murder is a crime that, in the united states, is punishable by prison or death. Abortion doesn't fall under this definition.
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So are many other things.

Better yet, here is a definition i just found online:

Law. the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law. In the U.S., special statutory definitions include murder committed with malice aforethought, characterized by deliberation or premeditation or occurring during the commission of another serious crime, as robbery or arson (first-degree murder), and murder by intent but without deliberation or premeditation (second-degree murder).
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Fairly certain that as you walk into an abortion clinic you are thinking "Hey, I think Im gonna get an abortion!"

So, how is a murder not a murder?
 
puggymom

puggymom

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Gwydion said:
Right, and why not? I really don't get This_person's logic then. If you aren't killing a living person by having an abortion, then how is he "legally" correct? How is it a living person?
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I think it goes to point of view. I believe this_person has the right to personally believe abortion is murder. But IMO he does not have the right to legally believe such. Does that make any sense?
 
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Gwydion

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puggymom said:
I think it goes to point of view. I believe this_person has the right to personally believe abortion is murder. But IMO he does not have the right to legally believe such. Does that make any sense?
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Yup. Of course he has the right. And the logic.

I just happen to disagree on both aspects.
 
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kris31280

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Beta84 said:
um lets see. condoms + birth control. if u didn't use both and got knocked up, then that's all i have to say. u admitted to not using one, if not both, and had 6 miscarriages and a kid. being "young and stupid" is a bad excuse. like I said, i knew about condoms, birth control, STDs, and how babies were made in elementary school.
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The 2 from my "young and stupid" days didn't last, so I guess that's a mute point.

I don't regret getting knocked up at all, not in the slightest. I regret the way things worked out with my ex and that my son doesn't have a father because of it... but he's got a wonderful mother, grandmother, grandfather, uncle, aunt, cousin, and a whole other host of family relatives on my side that adore him.

I think your opinions on the subject are very black and white. The world isn't black and white, it's got tons of shades of grey.

pcjohnnyb said:
ok.
so remove it and let the patch of tissue, with its own DNA, try and survive.
There have been numerous folks born with a "twin" attached, with its own DNA, but it can't survive on its own...is the doctor a murderer if he removes it for the convenience of the healthy child?
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What about if the other twin kicks the one that can't survive right out of the womb? Does that make me a murderer, because my mother miscarried my twin and when they were going to do the DNC for it, they realize she had another viable fetus (me) within her?
 
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