Abortion

theArtistFormerlyKnownAs

theArtistFormerlyKnownAs

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This_person said:
I understand your POV on this, and I think that the weight of rights has to consider who is responsible for whom. The child took no actions to become even a potential person - it was mother and father. IMHO, they are both responsible to see that life through until it can survive on it's own, THEN they have the choice to keep responsibility for that life or turn their responsibility over.

This is why I have a legal/scientific view of a raped mother that is different from my moral view on it. She did not take any action to risk becoming pregnant, either, so I have to give some weight to that concept.
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but that fetus didn't choose to be the result of rape. :shrug: Why should it be worth less to you than a creation out of love?
 
This_person

This_person

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pcjohnnyb said:
I've got an even better one.
So, lets say my point about viability is invalid in determining "life".
We all agree that a fetus is classified as a parasite, correct? Last time I checked, a person can have a parasite removed from them by a doctor. After that, the parasite isn't kept alive by medical treatment, because there is no reason...but lets say that they operate, remove the parasite (fetus), and let it fend for itself...like any other parasite.
If it lives, hoorah...someone that wants it can have it, if not...:shrug: it was just a parasite.
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What would the DNA of that parasite classify it as?

But, we can agree that your point about viability is invalid :buddies:
 
theArtistFormerlyKnownAs

theArtistFormerlyKnownAs

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This_person said:
Does that mean you don't understand my question (it was kind of wordy, and maybe unclear), or that you don't have an answer to it?
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No, my dear brick and mortar one, it means that you're too stubborn to think logically...even when presented with black and white evidence of what is a life and what isn't, so I will save my explanation for someone else.
 
This_person

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pcjohnnyb said:
but that fetus didn't choose to be the result of rape. :shrug: Why should it be worth less to you than a creation out of love?
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It does not hold less worth to me. As I stated, this is a very hard part for me, and I'm not 100% certain I know what I think should be done. Personally, my moral side says there is no right to kill the child. However, my logical and scientific side suggests that the mother has no right to be forced to carry the child that she did not voluntarily place there.

But, since we're talking about <1% of all abortions, I've decided not to decide for sure this issue, and stick with the 90%+ of abortions which are for no medical reason whatsoever, nor for rape.
 
Cowgirl

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Xaquin44 said:
It's a valid question.

What makes it less of a life?
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He didn't ask why it's less of a life. He asked why it would be worth less to someone.

I can only speak for myself, but I sure as hell wouldn't want a constant reminder of probably one of the most traumatic and horrific experiences of my life.
 
This_person

This_person

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pcjohnnyb said:
No, my dear brick and mortar one, it means that you're too stubborn to think logically...even when presented with black and white evidence of what is a life and what isn't, so I will save my explanation for someone else.
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I gave the most scientifically established view. :confused: What do you feel I'm missing?

Do you feel that causing the death of the child via "parasitic removal", or artifically inducing labor, or C-section, or any other form of abortion have some inherent differences?
 
theArtistFormerlyKnownAs

theArtistFormerlyKnownAs

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This_person said:
Sperm carry only the DNA of the father. Eggs carry only the DNA of the mother. The child carries its own unique DNA
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ok.
so remove it and let the patch of tissue, with its own DNA, try and survive.
There have been numerous folks born with a "twin" attached, with its own DNA, but it can't survive on its own...is the doctor a murderer if he removes it for the convenience of the healthy child?
 
puggymom

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pcjohnnyb said:
I've got an even better one.
So, lets say my point about viability is invalid in determining "life".
We all agree that a fetus is classified as a parasite, correct? Last time I checked, a person can have a parasite removed from them by a doctor. After that, the parasite isn't kept alive by medical treatment, because there is no reason...but lets say that they operate, remove the parasite (fetus), and let it fend for itself...like any other parasite.
If it lives, hoorah...someone that wants it can have it, if not...:shrug: it was just a parasite.
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My hopes is that one day science will catch up so to speak making the viability age as low as possible such that the fetus can be removed, become a ward of the state and is treated as any other premature baby.
 
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