Abortion

[SamSpade]

If it was my choice, I would limit abortion to the 1st trimester and after that for health reasons of the mother and/or fetus but wouldn't outright ban it at all.

Believe it or not that is typical for most nations in Europe - and around the world. The United States is nearly alone in the world when it comes to just how liberal our laws are on abortion.

Abortion law - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Looking at the chart, you'll see a lot of countries don't allow an abortion for just any damned reason - and many restrict it for other allowable reasons at the first trimester. Not like here, where it can be done at will, at any time and - even AFTER the child is born.

 

[SamSpade]

And you are right - some grow up in poverty and become a doctor and some a killer but poverty isn't the problem, it is downright neglect that is awful for a child coming up.

And THIS is possibly the biggest problem facing kids today, paired with the opposite problem - over-parenting. I see this at all stages - parents hugely uninvolved with those other smaller residents of their home - and parents who do EVERYTHING for their kids, even into adulthood.

I think there are some things all parents should know. You should know how your kids are doing in school. You should know their friends. You should know their interests, their likes and dislikes (at a general level, not what kind of cookie or ice cream they want, although a good parent knows). You should be at least marginally involved in their activities outside school.

There are lots of things parents should DO - but if you don't know the names of your kid's friends, you're not doing your job at all.

 

[WingsOfGold]

I have never had an abortion nor have I been faced with the decision to decide to terminate a pregnancy. I think if I knew ahead of time that the baby I was carrying would be born with severe health and/or deformities, I would seriously consider terminating that pregnancy.

I have never been a fan of abolishing abortion The most horrify thing I saw early on in my career was a coke bottle with blood inside sitting in an alley. I was young and asked the officer I was with "what is that?" pointing at the bloody bottle I almost stepped on. I was told that was a "back-alley" abortion. This was in the late 80s/early 90's.

The one thing that experience taught me was to watch where I was walking. Fast forward, I now know this is commonly seen in Baltimore and DC in the alleys. Believe it or not, there are women who have zero maternal association with the fetus they carry. They will jam that coke bottle up their vajay until the job is done or sell their baby quick not caring where it goes (very common in Mexico). They will have children to get more money from the system and let them wonder around the streets like a feral cat.

What made me think of this today? Well, this video? I also do not believe 1 in 4 woman have had an abortion - that seems awful high to me.

If it was my choice, I would limit abortion to the 1st trimester and after that for health reasons of the mother and/or fetus but wouldn't outright ban it at all.

I think the best response to abortion is let that be between that woman and God but in this instance, I think one less Pramila in the world is a good thing.

Should abortion become the law of the land?

Criminalize??? I'd be happy to send that bitch back to the shithole she escaped from.

 

[Dakota]

But it's good that he took his horrific circumstances and went on to help others. I wish more people would do that.

Yes but sadly, that is not very common.

I went to JH and HS with dozens of kids that lived in the Baptist Home For Children on Greentree Rd in Bethesda from 70-76. Almost all of them came from dysfunctional, alcohol or drug homes.
Everyone of them was a walking nightmare then and the ones that are still around are still Fing huge drains on society.
If abortion was legal 15 or more years earlier, im a believer a bunch of them would not have been put into the lives they have lead...
Its interesting on how many of these orphanages are gone or changed what they do within 15-20 years after abortion became legal...

^this is what is common but I am not so sure "social services" has made it better all the way around.

At the core - what we have is a society problem and at times, in fact, most times, I think it is too far gone to make it better.

Kids can grow up and have issues with both parents, sure however it is far more common when both parents are either neglectful, absent, abusers, bounce from relationship to relationship or are helicopter parents.

Sam, I was busy typing when notified there were other postings to read and see you also talked about this.

 

[black dog]

Believe it or not that is typical for most nations in Europe - and around the world. The United States is nearly alone in the world when it comes to just how liberal our laws are on abortion.

Abortion law - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Looking at the chart, you'll see a lot of countries don't allow an abortion for just any damned reason - and many restrict it for other allowable reasons at the first trimester. Not like here, where it can be done at will, at any time and - even AFTER the child is born.

Notice how those countrys have huge overloaded orphanages in appalling conditions?
Also abortion laws have eased up in the UK, Great Britain and parts of Ireland the last fee years.

 

[SamSpade]

Notice how those countrys have huge overloaded orphanages in appalling conditions?

You mean like France and Germany?

 

[black dog]

And THIS is possibly the biggest problem facing kids today, paired with the opposite problem - over-parenting. I see this at all stages - parents hugely uninvolved with those other smaller residents of their home - and parents who do EVERYTHING for their kids, even into adulthood.

I think there are some things all parents should know. You should know how your kids are doing in school. You should know their friends. You should know their interests, their likes and dislikes (at a general level, not what kind of cookie or ice cream they want, although a good parent knows). You should be at least marginally involved in their activities outside school.

There are lots of things parents should DO - but if you don't know the names of your kid's friends, you're not doing your job at all.

To many in society want to be friends with their children, and not be parents to there children.
Like I have posted before with letters home from USRD Parris Island,
Dad, i'm the only one in my platoon that knows how to use a washer and dryer...

I took that as Thanks dad for being a parent....

 

[black dog]

You mean like France and Germany?

No certainly not all, lets say the Soviet Block countries...Along with countrys without a taxbase that can afford it.
I will add Asia, Africa, South America, Middle East and India.
India has over 30 million orphans... Over 30 million... And abortion is legal till 24 weeks I believe..
Whats causing the numbers of 30 million? Access? Money??? Something.

 

[SamSpade]

No certainly not all, lets say the Soviet Block countries...Along with countrys without a taxbase that can afford it.

I brought it up in the first place, because after reading an article a week ago, I had no idea that the United States is nearly alone in its completely liberal laws regarding abortion. That chart on that page is eye-opening - most nations have SOME restriction and I was astonished at how restrictive most countries - like France, Germany, Scandinavian nations, etc - you know, the nations always pointed to as being more advanced than us, socially - and they don't allow people to just have abortions at any time.

That last column - on request - meaning, for any old reason - this is almost the only place on Earth where there's no restriction.

 

[black dog]

I brought it up in the first place, because after reading an article a week ago, I had no idea that the United States is nearly alone in its completely liberal laws regarding abortion. That chart on that page is eye-opening - most nations have SOME restriction and I was astonished at how restrictive most countries - like France, Germany, Scandinavian nations, etc - you know, the nations always pointed to as being more advanced than us, socially - and they don't allow people to just have abortions at any time.

That last column - on request - meaning, for any old reason - this is almost the only place on Earth where there's no restriction.

It seems according to what side of the table one sits, we have done really really good or really really bad in a few short years with what others that spent a few thousand doing.

 

[Bare-ya-cuda]

COVID 19 vaccination is the new abortion. I wouldn’t be surprised if in a few years females that got the jab are no longer fertile

 

[RoseRed]

COVID 19 vaccination is the new abortion. I wouldn’t be surprised if in a few years females that got the jab turn out to be fertile.

I hope they are too.

 

[Dakota]

COVID 19 vaccination is the new abortion. I wouldn’t be surprised if in a few years females that got the jab are no longer fertile

Neither would I. I dunno if I was coming up as a young person today that I would want to bring children in this world.

I have always said I love my children but I completely understand why a woman, a couple may opt not to have any children at all.

 

[Kyle]

COVID 19 vaccination is the new abortion. I wouldn’t be surprised if in a few years females that got the jab are no longer fertile

So Democrats really are trying to re-create the handmaid’s tale!

Alyssa Milano already has her dress.

 

[SamSpade]

I dunno if I was coming up as a young person today that I would want to bring children in this world.

All of my life, I have heard people of various ages and belonging to different generations say the same - that it would somehow not be right to bring children into the world the way it is today.

I'm guessing if I rolled back the clock a hundred, two hundred or more years, there would always be someone saying that - because when has the world ever been the perfect world to raise a family in?

Not to in any way disparage those who choose not to have kids - but I don't understand the need to make it some kind of moral high ground to refrain from having them. It is ok to not want to have them, but it doesn't mean the rest of the world is somehow WRONG for doing so. I just have plenty of extended family who try to make it that way.

 

[black dog]

Not to in any way disparage those who choose not to have kids - but I don't understand the need to make it some kind of moral high ground to refrain from having them. It is ok to not want to have them, but it doesn't mean the rest of the world is somehow WRONG for doing so. I just have plenty of extended family who try to make it that way.

I have a few cousins that sit on that pedestal, all have higher educations.
I have wondered if that was the glue that gave them that seat, and the reasoning not to not have children.

 

[vraiblonde]

IMO we non-crazies need to have scads of children to outnumber the psychos spawning. It's always annoying to see a nice young couple who would make excellent progenitors of the future generation deciding to not have children, while women whose nickname for their baby is "Lil Muddafukka" are genning them out by the dozen.

 

[Kyle]

IMO we non-crazies need to have scads of children to outnumber the psychos spawning. It's always annoying to see a nice young couple who would make excellent progenitors of the future generation deciding to not have children, while women whose nickname for their baby is "Lil Muddafukka" are genning them out by the dozen.

Idiocracy in practice.

 

[vraiblonde]

Idiocracy in practice.

I think about that opening scene all the time.

 

[Sneakers]

I think about that opening scene all the time.

Hard not to. There's a lot of forecasting in that movie that is coming true.