Only those present at Megiddo for the battle of Armageddon will be subject to being eaten by birds and only after they have been killed.supersurfer said:
Age of the world
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We will disagree. Sorry you fell away.supersurfer said:
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Maybe I'll get lucky? :shrug:2ndAmendment said:
Only those present back in the days of Noah got to drown also. What's the point?
Maybe you will find faith again. That would be fortunate.supersurfer said:
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I doubt it, but you keep talking to yourself.... I mean praying, k!2ndAmendment said:
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How did I miss this?wxtornado said:
Many that fall by the wayside do so because they were disappointed in the outcome of an event in their life; something they prayed for, or someone they regarded as religious failed them or even abused them. I hate to think how many people the pedophile priests have harmed spiritually.supersurfer said:
People, religious people, are just people. They do bad things. Not what God wants but what people do.
People get sick, people die; fact. It is all part of the overall plan since man's fall; humans are mortal.
I will continue to pray for you as I do for many. I pray that you find your way back to God; that He makes Himself ultimately real to you.
Am I not free to express my faith as you are free to express your lack of faith? Still praying for you.elaine said:
I told you at the party for Rose that I was praying for you. You said OK.elaine said:
wxtornado
The Other White Meat
Here's my take on the whole "religion" thing, if anyone cares.
If we are going to be honest, we have to admit that religion has served a very important function in mankind's epistemological growth. Religious views don't "reflect darkness", they reflect a collective youthfulness that we've simply grown beyond.
I see all of humanity like a "child" growing up. In our ealriest infancy, going back to very primitive man, we were merely input-related beings. Like an infant, we interacted with our world in a very simplistic manner. Unable to communicate, we relied more on instinct and reaction. Food, clothing, protection -- those were our paramount goals.
As man developed out of utter infancy, he becamse more communicative, and desirous of explanations. Like a child believes in fairies and Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, these fables helped us rationalize our world and how we fit in it. Just like a child thrills in wonder at gifts that are magically brought by an jolly elf-like entity, so too was humanity enthralled by the gods who brought sunlight, or who opened flowers, or who rumbled in volcanoes.
Now, tens of thousands of years later, we're more like youths. A lot of us still believe in the "Santa Claus", but a lot of us have grown past that need. Instead of the sun being a ball of fire in the sky, or thunder being the gods bowling, or rain being God crying, we're able to understand the natural causes for these things, and our awe at them is not reduced to the fantastical, but the fantastic.
As we mature, we lose God, just like as a child matures, he loses Santa Claus.
But as does Santa did in our individual growth, so does God play an important role in our collectively upbringing. Belief in God spawned many important aspects of human culture including our morals, our ethics, our laws, our art, and even science. Seeking to find God in nature led many scientists down the road to discovery, and those discoveries laid the foundation of today's more disciplined science that we enjoy today.
So I'm glad religion had it's place in human history. That doesn't mean we need to cling to that which we've outgrown, nor does it mean we should be dismissive or embarrassed for having believed in it before we knew better.
My 2 cents.
If we are going to be honest, we have to admit that religion has served a very important function in mankind's epistemological growth. Religious views don't "reflect darkness", they reflect a collective youthfulness that we've simply grown beyond.
I see all of humanity like a "child" growing up. In our ealriest infancy, going back to very primitive man, we were merely input-related beings. Like an infant, we interacted with our world in a very simplistic manner. Unable to communicate, we relied more on instinct and reaction. Food, clothing, protection -- those were our paramount goals.
As man developed out of utter infancy, he becamse more communicative, and desirous of explanations. Like a child believes in fairies and Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, these fables helped us rationalize our world and how we fit in it. Just like a child thrills in wonder at gifts that are magically brought by an jolly elf-like entity, so too was humanity enthralled by the gods who brought sunlight, or who opened flowers, or who rumbled in volcanoes.
Now, tens of thousands of years later, we're more like youths. A lot of us still believe in the "Santa Claus", but a lot of us have grown past that need. Instead of the sun being a ball of fire in the sky, or thunder being the gods bowling, or rain being God crying, we're able to understand the natural causes for these things, and our awe at them is not reduced to the fantastical, but the fantastic.
As we mature, we lose God, just like as a child matures, he loses Santa Claus.
But as does Santa did in our individual growth, so does God play an important role in our collectively upbringing. Belief in God spawned many important aspects of human culture including our morals, our ethics, our laws, our art, and even science. Seeking to find God in nature led many scientists down the road to discovery, and those discoveries laid the foundation of today's more disciplined science that we enjoy today.
So I'm glad religion had it's place in human history. That doesn't mean we need to cling to that which we've outgrown, nor does it mean we should be dismissive or embarrassed for having believed in it before we knew better.
My 2 cents.
But I think I found God today at lunch. 
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kwillia
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I fall into the category of those that believe religion was created by man for man as a form of law, a way to explain the unexplainable, a way for some to declare themselves better than and therefore leaders of the masses. That is why religions from around the world are centrally the same, but defer based on cultural specifics and conveniences. And based on my understanding of what religion is, I see religion as being important in that it does provide comfort and structure to those who need it.2ndAmendment said:
Strange. I remember our conversation as being mostly about other topics. I don't think I have ever told you that you were going to burn in hell.elaine said:
I pray for all my friends and people I am friendly with and even some of my enemies (my failing - I should pray for them all). I include you in that list and not as an enemy.
You and wxtornado and many others. We all make our choices.kwillia said:
supersurfer
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I know that you would like to think that I abandoned my beliefs because I was either molested by a leader figure, let down by a man, unaswered prayers, or some other tragic event in my life.2ndAmendment said:
What led me away was my studies. I encourage people to read the Bible. I think Fundies should stop waving the Bible around and actually read it. The majority of Christians don't read their Bibles. If they were to, then they'd either choose to continue ignoring contradiction and fallacy, or their eyes would be opened to what it really is.
2A, pray all you want, but do know that I continue to study religions and atheism, and agree with atheism more each day.
I prefer nothing of the sort. I was remarking on experience.supersurfer said:
I have read the Bible multiple times in different versions from cover to cover. The only time I see "contradictions" is when scripture has been taken out of context.
I will pray. Maybe you will come full circle.