ah, teachers, the ones that determine your kids genders....

twinoaks207

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6 years ago...wasn't that around the same time all of this bullchit started REALLY taking over our school systems?
It actually started back in the mid 80's when a bunch of businessmen & politicians got together and decided it would be a good idea to test the sh*t out of the children. That was the beginning of the end. It got progressively worse once folks like Bill Gates, Eli Broad, and the Koch brothers realized that Education was the last untapped market. The real end began when Common Core came into play (again, pushed by business money interests & politicians). After that, it became a game of "how low can you go?" for Public education, while Private schools were pushed as the "saviors", with no real oversight of where the money was going. Note, I am NOT saying that Private schools are a bad thing. There are a lot of good ones out there. They have the freedom to choose their students, and not a lot of restraints on how they spend their money. BUT, once the politicians starting putting a focus on taking funding away from public schools in order to fund Private schools under the guise of "School Choice", then the greed operators stepped into play, the media & political machines started cranking and the slide began.

I've been following the money and the players for the last 12 years, along with some insider political knowledge. It is "election time". You will hear "everyone" touting themselves as "pro-education". Funny thing is, as soon as they win, Education immediately moves to the back burner. It does that because there is no ONE "magic bullet" that will fix Education. And if it's not a "magic bullet", no politician will touch it because they survive by sound bites.

You don't have to believe what I say. Go do the research yourself. Follow the money and look for the connections.
 

twinoaks207

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My wife says the kids have become serious discipline problems as they continually destroy the bathrooms and get into fights.

That, and the across the board loss of skills. They attribute it largely to the lockdowns, since at no time in the past has this been as persistent a problem.
Yes, we sent them home with devices, where, in a lot of cases, they didn't have a lot of adult supervision because not every parent could work form home and the ones that WERE working from home had to focus on THEIR work. They are children. Their brains are not fully developed. They make poor decisions, and those are amplified when there is not a lot of "eyes on" direct supervision. They are sneaky little beings as well. Part of their job as children is to push the limits to see where they are, and they're quite good at it! So, a lot of them pretty much went feral.

My last two years (20-21 & 21-22), were pretty much a mess because of TikTok challenges (I had to escort the entire group to the bathroom if ONE of them had to go because our bathrooms were constantly vandalized -- our 5th & 6th grade groups contained some real hell-raisers), getting the students used to being back in the building and following *gasp* RULES, combined with the district mantra of "give them some grace, they've been traumatized". Toss in a misinterpretation of the current trend for "Restorative Justice" (which is really nothing new, just a new name for it), and Admins were handing out few meaningful consequences as a deterrent for poor behavior. Those kids were pushing those limits because they had a need to know where the limits are to feel safe. And that piece was being ignored by the Adults making decisions. When kids don't feel safe and secure they act out, the anxiety sets in, and things snowball. No one can learn when they can't focus because they're worried or upset. And the ones that are doing okay, can't learn when the teacher has to stop teaching to constantly redirect or deal with misbehaviors.

Please keep in mind that I am speaking from my own experiences in my own district. Individual schools have individual identities. There are pockets of excellence, pockets of average, and pockets of "dear lord, get these folks some HELP!", in EVERY school district, no matter where it is located. Assuming that every school, every district, and every teacher is the same, is the definition of stupidity.
 

Gilligan

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You have a Teacher in your family so I know that you know what it has become recently. If she only has two years, she's approaching the sweet point. That last year, you can just shut your door and TEACH those students the way that they need to be taught. Pleasing Admins won't really matter at that point. 😉
Her daughter..(my niece..duh) is now a teacher at the HS near the middle school her Mom has always taught at. She's in her late 20s..teaches Biology..and is not complaining about anything to this point. But again..very rural school district in southern VA, and she's the stoic non-complaining type anyway. She's got deep roots there, running (and soon inheriting) her grandparents farm and horse boarding facility, so I hope her teaching career does not turn too negative.
 

LightRoasted

If I may ...
For your consideration ...

Well now dear, you don't need a violin for me. You don't know me and you sure don't know my financial position regarding any pension. You are making an assumption here. You are also assuming that teachers are NOT involved with their unions (the one I was in was kick-ass for the last 6 years, not so much before that as the men who were the leaders were in bed with the District leaders so they could get jobs at the District office. Nothing was done until we put women in charge, but I digress). There have also been extensive efforts at the state level to enact positive change. Something that you would know if you were involved with schools or bothered to Google.

As far as teaching being hard, no. Teaching, if you love it, is easy. It's dealing with the bureaucratic bullsh*t that gets slung by everyone in non-teaching positions, and the bullsh*t slung by those folks who think they know how to run a school because they once attended one, that is hard. At some point, one simply decides to let natural selection kick in, and sit back and observe.

Like I said, teachers are human. I don't know that teacher in Frederick and I don't know why they did what they did. I do know that sometimes people snap.
I do not have any compassion for public school teachers, that, over the years, have used everything at their disposal to demand moar and moar money via work stoppage threats to "work the rule" protests. Never once, NEVER, have there been a group of public school teachers that have stood and protested the BS that goes on, or have gone on, in public schools. Nor have there been mass walkouts by teachers to force the system changes necessary. [Hey ever hear of workplace safety protests?] NEVER! Sure, once in a blue moon there is one or two that will give lip service at some time in a public forum, but else, it's always give us moar money and benefits. All we hear is whining and demands for moar money and less work. And the ever continual decline in student aptitude scores. So please spare us with your self righteous indignations.

As far as your comment: "not so much before that as the men who were the leaders". At least under the leadership of Men, there was discipline. You women, and your "feelings" have made things much worse in the public school system. Where as you women lead by feelings, and petty actions, and Men lead by logic. Having women in charge, in positions such as in unions and the school system and school boards, with their petty power plays, has lead us to where we are now.

"Yes, there are poor teachers out there, just as there are poor doctors, lawyers, plumbers, electricians, etc." And here you are conflating apples to oranges. The difference with your comparison is that if "doctors, lawyers, plumbers, electricians" perform badly, their licenses are revoked, they are either sued, or fired, or if self-employed given bad reviews so no other has to deal with their incompetence. But with teachers, there are no consequences.

"NO ONE has a good handle on how to get our public schools back to being great." BS. BS. BS .BS. There are a great many excellent and well founded ideas and proven past formulas that work, that would change the current malfeasance going on in the public school system. But it is you (guilty by association), the teachers, and unions, and union paid lobbyists, that get in the way of positive change.

Prove me wrong!
 

GregV814

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Funny, I said nothing about "white" men. Why did your brain go there? Practice some Media Literacy.

And really, THAT's the part that you chose to put your focus upon? :sshrug:
deflection is your strong suit. But back to the teacher that made a false call and hid her students???
 

phreddyp

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Okay, y'all, listen up. First of all, the title of this is ridiculous. Teachers do not determine the gender of children. That's just one of the things put out by various media sources to push buttons. Teachers these days are walking tightropes between Admins, School Board, Politicians with agendas, and Parents, ALL while they are just trying to teach their subject area to the children. There is so much sh*t piled on the plates of teachers these days that I am really surprised that any are left in the classrooms.

Teachers are expected to:
  • teach social emotional skills to the kids, (when I was a kid, my parents did this)
  • feed them if they're hungry, (again, my parents did this when I was a kid)
  • refer them for counseling if there is any suspicion of a problem, contact CPS and file a report if there is an inkling of a suspicion of ANY kind of abuse (or risk losing their teaching license and livelihood),
  • secure the classroom & stand in front of your children if there is an active shooter in the building, while ensuring that your children get to a safe hiding place
  • react with kindness and understanding of behavior when assaulted by students, (or even parents)
  • differentiate the instruction of 30+ different individual students in each class group taught (including providing accommodations for Special education students with IEPS, students with 504 Plans, and students who are speakers of other languages) not to mention the students who are below grade level or have knowledge gaps
  • create a positive classroom environment
  • contact parents by phone calls or electronically whenever there is an issue or concern with the student, AND to also relate positive things that the students are doing because no one likes to get bad news all of the time!
  • create "classroom assessments" to determine if the students are learning concepts/info taught
  • Grade those assessments
  • Re-teach concepts missed while simultaneously covering new material for the day because the curriculums are now scripted and God help you if you are teaching Last Tuesday's lesson on Wednesday!
  • Prepare your students for the multitude of TESTS required by policy makers and making Pearson ( the lead testing company for EVERYTHING and based in the UK) a mint of money that could be devoted to other things needed by our schools (or maybe a tax cut for taxpayers), all the while losing additional instructional time due to the actual "testing" mechanism
  • create "meaningful and engaging" lesson plans and submit them to the Principal (and they must include objectives, standards, accommodations, etc.)
  • take on "additional duties as assigned": bus duty, hall duty, lunch duty, Tech person, etc.
  • "Cover" other classes/groups when there are NO Subs available
  • attend weekly & monthly meetings regarding instruction
  • participate in any IEP or 504 meetings
  • participate in "Professional Development" (and I use that term loosely because most of it these days is useless and only provided as a CYA by the District
  • Take graduate classes (paid for by the teacher, sometimes re-imbursed but most often not) in order to keep their license or move up in salary or responsibility
  • tolerate poor leadership at times because they can't afford to quit
  • cope with supply shortages (copy paper, pencils, toilet paper, paper towels, etc.)
  • devote an extra 10-20 hours outside of their work day to get things done because there is NO chance to get them done during the work day
  • completely tear down their classrooms every June and pack everything up, and then unpack it in August and put it all back up again, and the pressure to be Pinterest Perfect is huge (that "engaging" classroom piece above).
  • basically be a robot with no feelings, no flaws, never gets sick, doesn't have family, etc.
Having just left the field after 40 years, let me tell you that your Teachers are NOT okay! They are drowning, and leaving in droves, especially the good ones who just want to TEACH the children! The amount of bullsh*t going on in schools right now is unbelievable (especially if you're not IN it) and it is totally unsustainable. Google "Teacher Shortage" and see what you come up with for results. Because of the shortages nationwide, school districts have gotten to the point of putting in any warm body they can find. And when they can't find one, the position goes unfilled and the Teachers and other staff in the buildings lose their small amount of daily "planning time" (or even their lunch time) to cover those empty slots. And sometimes, the slots just don't get filled at all. They're combining classes (think 40+ students in a room with desks for 28), or just not even having that class or subject. My school was unable to fill my position for this school year. There is no one in my Library teaching the students how to choose valid resources, how to navigate & act online, how to evaluate media sources for accuracy and bias, AND, worst of all, the students who didn't have a whole lot of access to books, now have none.

So, don't EVEN go there with Teacher bashing. If you haven't walked in those shoes recently, you have no creds!
I would feel bad for you except you are so OVERPAID for what little you do. By the way most of what you posted are things that YOUR peers have foisted on you, self inflicted wounds don't really deserve sympathy .
 

GregV814

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Better than half of a century ago, I graduated from high school in the "inner beltway" sanctuary. Our educators were disciplinarians, generally good teachers with a few exceptions. Most students were prepared for college or the draft and we didn't have indoctrination of gender identification, Play Doh or equity training.
Those who went to college and wanted to teach had their role models, someone that taught, in mind.
Times change. Like I said, this is not our Dad's Buick.
 

Gilligan

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I would feel bad for you except you are so OVERPAID for what little you do.
?? da fuq??..by my rough estimate, my sister, approaching retirement, makes about 11-12 dollars an hour...and that does not take in to account all the money she spends on school room supplies she buys for her classrooms.
 

twinoaks207

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Her daughter..(my niece..duh) is now a teacher at the HS near the middle school her Mom has always taught at. She's in her late 20s..teaches Biology..and is not complaining about anything to this point. But again..very rural school district in southern VA, and she's the stoic non-complaining type anyway. She's got deep roots there, running (and soon inheriting) her grandparents farm and horse boarding facility, so I hope her teaching career does not turn too negative.
Wishing her a successful, fulfilling career. My daughter teaches at a HS in Baltimore County. She loves what she does but doesn't tolerate foolishness from above. So far, so good. She was her school's candidate for Teacher of the Year last year. She wanted to teach and we couldn't talk her out of it. Hoping that she can survive the nonsense and continue to love what she does.
 

twinoaks207

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I would feel bad for you except you are so OVERPAID for what little you do. By the way most of what you posted are things that YOUR peers have foisted on you, self inflicted wounds don't really deserve sympathy .
When you have spent some time teaching in a public school, come back and post again. Until then, your comments have no worth at all, as they come from a place of ignorance.
 

twinoaks207

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deflection is your strong suit. But back to the teacher that made a false call and hid her students???
Sigh. Let me try this just one more time...

From a CNN story that came out 22 hours from the time of my post, this is what happened:

Earlier in the day, the teacher had allegedly attempted to call the front office to get permission to take students outside but did not receive a response and believed the school seemed “eerily quiet,” the sheriff’s office said.

The teacher then decided to lead the students through the woods up to a nearby cafe – a decision which authorities say she made due to her taking a part in emergency management procedures.

“As they are walking through the woods, she has the children remove any brightly colored clothing or accessories and removes her own brightly colored shirt to avoid detection,” the sheriff’s office added.

According to a statement from Frederick County Public Schools, the teacher believed “there was a concern for safety” and acted in what the district called the “avoid strategy,” which staff and students are trained to use when they believe there is an immediate threat to student safety.
Here is the link to the story (for verification purposes) : https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/04/us/maryland-teacher-false-report-stabbings-investigation/index.html

Due to the numerous school shootings, every school now conducts "Lock Down drills", in addition to receiving multiple trainings in what to do when a crazy person enters your building and tries to kill everyone they see. After all of the reports (still continuing to this day) concerning the massacre at Uvalde Elementary, and almost daily reports of mass killings somewhere in the media, Teachers are a bit on edge to put it mildly. We are NOT trained for combat. Until you have tried to explain to a group of 5-10 year olds, WHY you are showing them places to hide in their classroom, the reason that they must remain absolutely quiet, etc., OR have been a participant in a lockdown for something going on in the community (one of the ones that I was in lasted for 45 minutes due to an armed man fleeing from police 3 blocks away from the school), where you have to explain to a child WHY you cannot let them out of the classroom to go to the hallway bathroom even though they REALLY have to go, you have absolutely NO IDEA of the amount of stress and anxiety that puts on those students and staff members. I can totally understand WHY, if you call the Office, and get no answer, and the school "seems eerily quiet", a person would come to the conclusion that something very bad has happened to people and it didn't involved gunfire. Schools are NEVER absolutely quiet! And there had been social media reports of a shooting at a high school in the county that day as well (later proven inaccurate, but the allegations/reports were still out there).

It is a very heavy responsibility to know that if something happens in your school, you are expected to place yourself in front of students to protect them up to and including your death during such an action. I don't know of any of my colleagues that would NOT have chosen to protect children under their care. In the last drill that I participated in, shortly after the Uvalde shootings, I told my 6th graders where they could hide, how to get around the last bookcase to make it to the back door, the importance of making absolutely NO sound, and also told them that anyone coming into our Library would have to go through me FIRST. I also reminded them that I am short and not as young as I used to be so they would need to move quickly to get to safety if I was unable to help them. My worry was always that I'd never get the chance to help them at all because as soon as I stepped out into the hallway (right by the main door) to lock the Library door (step#1 in the "What to do for an active shooter/threat" , I'd be one of the first people killed. It took 15 years and multiple school shootings all over the entire country to get the District to the point that they coughed up the funds to switch the locks on the door to the INSIDE of the classrooms so we'd at least have a fighting chance.

So, yes, I can totally understand this response, given the information above. BUT, at this point, none of us were there, and NONE of us know exactly what happened up there and why, and we may never know all of the details.

I have now "addressed" your post about that teacher. So, if you want to go off half-cocked about a first report from Media that did NOT have all or even a 50% portion of the facts concerning what happened, by all means feel free to continue in your ignorance and judgmental behavior. And with that said, I'm done discussing your post. I tried, but some folks just can't or don't want to be reached, and that's on them.

Enjoy the rest of your weekend!
 

twinoaks207

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For your consideration ...


I do not have any compassion for public school teachers, that, over the years, have used everything at their disposal to demand moar and moar money via work stoppage threats to "work the rule" protests. Never once, NEVER, have there been a group of public school teachers that have stood and protested the BS that goes on, or have gone on, in public schools. Nor have there been mass walkouts by teachers to force the system changes necessary. [Hey ever hear of workplace safety protests?] NEVER! Sure, once in a blue moon there is one or two that will give lip service at some time in a public forum, but else, it's always give us moar money and benefits. All we hear is whining and demands for moar money and less work. And the ever continual decline in student aptitude scores. So please spare us with your self righteous indignations.

As far as your comment: "not so much before that as the men who were the leaders". At least under the leadership of Men, there was discipline. You women, and your "feelings" have made things much worse in the public school system. Where as you women lead by feelings, and petty actions, and Men lead by logic. Having women in charge, in positions such as in unions and the school system and school boards, with their petty power plays, has lead us to where we are now.

"Yes, there are poor teachers out there, just as there are poor doctors, lawyers, plumbers, electricians, etc." And here you are conflating apples to oranges. The difference with your comparison is that if "doctors, lawyers, plumbers, electricians" perform badly, their licenses are revoked, they are either sued, or fired, or if self-employed given bad reviews so no other has to deal with their incompetence. But with teachers, there are no consequences.

"NO ONE has a good handle on how to get our public schools back to being great." BS. BS. BS .BS. There are a great many excellent and well founded ideas and proven past formulas that work, that would change the current malfeasance going on in the public school system. But it is you (guilty by association), the teachers, and unions, and union paid lobbyists, that get in the way of positive change.

Prove me wrong!
Google is your friend. The information is out there if you care to look.
 

phreddyp

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?? da fuq??..by my rough estimate, my sister, approaching retirement, makes about 11-12 dollars an hour...and that does not take in to account all the money she spends on school room supplies she buys for her classrooms.
So she makes $24,100.00 a year, face it she's not smart enough to be a teacher.
 

twinoaks207

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Hours worked per year 52 weeks times 40 hours a week equals 2080 hours worked, times $12 per hour equals $24960 per year. Sorry in my prior post gave 2 weeks off for vacation.
Hmmm... I see that you are obviously not sleeping at the correct Holiday Inn.... :popcorn:
 
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