ah, teachers, the ones that determine your kids genders....

Merlin99

Visualize whirled peas
PREMO Member
Oh, believe me, teachers would love nothing better than to leave the Social Work to Social Workers. Unfortunately, the national mindset, for too long, has been something along the lines of "well the kids need this and they're with teachers 8 hours a day (a falsehood, by the way), so we'll just have 'the schools' do it!" I'm not sure how they figured the math on that one because even if we use their falsehood of 8 hours, that still leaves 16 hours in a day that they are supposedly under the purview of their parental units, whatever that might consist of (and that's one of the other issues).

When you take the following events and toss them all together, we get what we have today:
  • more women entered the workforce (because we COULD!)
  • economy has been a back & forth mess since the early 80's, which actually forced more women into the workforce due to economic necessity, even those who wanted to devote their time to the worthy task of making a home and raising children.
  • the Government and businessmen decided to stick their fingers into the last untapped market for profits - education
  • "No Child Left Behind" -- an admirable concept but poorly executed because politicians created it without the input of boots on the ground teachers, who could have told folks that it was literally IMPOSSIBLE to have EVERY child succeed at 100% on a test! (what planet were these guys from anyway????), and thus began the real decline of our educational system
  • LRE (Least Restrictive Environment) was implemented which essentially forced our Special Ed students to fail everywhere else before getting to the environment that any Special Ed teacher could have told folks they needed in the first place! Those of us working in the most restrictive level at that time, could see the writing on the wall --- failure for our students, and lost educational time and possible physical harm for the other students (I worked with Emotional Disturbance/Behavior disordered kids, some with psychiatric issues & legal problems. Yes, those students had to "fail" in a regular classroom and through more limited options until they finally got to us, where we could get them what they needed and then send them back up the levels.)
  • FOL (Fear of Lawsuits) by the school districts. A lot of what you are seeing now is a result of this. Crazy lawsuit awards result in everyone being afraid to do "anything" that they might get sued for, and add in press exposure (because everyone with a hangnail calls the news these days), and this opens up cargo containers of useless, time-wasting "mandates".
I could go on about "Race to the Top" (No Child Left Behind with a different name), "Woke" politics, political correctness, moral fiber breakdowns, urban power centers vs. the "rest of us" rural folks, but I won't.

By law, all special d students must FIRST be served within the overall school environment - mixed in with everyone else. Their IEP must specify what supports they will receive, who will provide them, how many hours of service they will receive, etc., etc., with an Annual Review to determine if that IEP still meets their needs. This was put into place in order to ensure that students are not placed in a treatment center or isolated from their school peers and opportunities without justification - A noble and righteous goal! Unfortunately, as with ALL government initiated mandates, no one bother to check with folks who actually had to DO the implementation, to see if it was doable and practical. And there, once again, is the FLAW in the plan.

I've had several students go through the elementary school that I worked at, that every adult in that building could have told you, had no chance at all of succeeding in that environment due to needs that we just couldn't meet while dealing with 400-700 other children. In most cases, it took us an entire year to do all of the paperwork, etc., requirements to even get that child "looked at" by someone outside the building for a POSSIBLE placement outside our school. In the meantime, the students in class with these kids had to put up with being attacked, losing instructional time, classroom disruptions, etc. And it wasn't the fault of the child with special needs - their actions were the result of their disability, and exacerbated by not having their needs met in a way that helped them! So, everyone loses while we jump through hoops and red tape created by folks who have no idea what the reality is like.

It anyone should be "blamed" for the mess, I'd like to nominate politicians who don't listen to ANYONE, and lawyers.

Sorry for the rant. This is a trigger area for me.
That may be true in your case, even in most cases, but there to many cases where the school district and the teachers have decided that they are morally obligated to do the social work (social engineering). Be it assisting students to transition or deciding that a student is close enough to being the opposite sex that they should be allowed into their bathroom / locker room.
 

Gilligan

#*! boat!
PREMO Member
A teacher recently asked their principal if the could kepe their classroom door open during the school day to get cross ventilation to reduce the risk of transmission of Covid.

The principal said sorry you have to keep the door closed to reduce the risk of mass shooters.
Link(s)? You lie so often, we need to see the proof on this one.
 

twinoaks207

Having Fun!
Link(s)? You lie so often, we need to see the proof on this one.
Does personal experience count for this? My Library had an outside door and NO windows. We were directed that windows could be opened but NO DOORS, due to District requirements that all outside doors remain locked to deter "unauthorized visitors". As a reasonable person, my Principal saw that the Library received one of the first 2 mega air filtering machines as the entire student body and faculty passed through in the course of one week.

So, yes, this does happen, especially last year after Uvalde. At least with COVID, you get a chance at medical assistance. You don't with an active shooter. That's our reality these days....
 

twinoaks207

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That may be true in your case, even in most cases, but there to many cases where the school district and the teachers have decided that they are morally obligated to do the social work (social engineering). Be it assisting students to transition or deciding that a student is close enough to being the opposite sex that they should be allowed into their bathroom / locker room.
Teachers have always felt "morally obligated" to do the social work piece as the majority of them went into teaching because they cared about children. Where we have serious issues, as we do now, is where "morally obligated" collides with differing moralities, and one "morality" becomes mandated over the other. Welcome to education in the 2020's.... guess who is stuck in the middle? Schools are staffed by individual human beings. As individuals, there will be differences among them. Just because something is "mandated" as policy, does not mean that everyone tasked with carrying out that policy agrees with it.

“Morality cannot be legislated, but behavior can be regulated. The law may not change the heart, but it can restrain the heartless.” (Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.)

This is one of the reasons why it is SO important to pay attention to those who are responsible for making LAW.

Food for thought in this link:
Legal Brief: Legislating Morality and Ethics

(edited for typo)
 

phreddyp

Well-Known Member
A teacher recently asked their principal if they could keep their classroom door open during the school day to get cross ventilation to reduce the risk of transmission of Covid.

The principal said sorry you have to keep the door closed to reduce the risk of mass shooters.

Teachers deserve every penny they get and much much more. Anyone who goes into that profession does so selflessly and is ensuring our future generations are educated.

All this CRT and groomer crap is nonsense the GOP uses as made up wedge social issues.
Now I know that you have lost your mind!
 

BOP

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Okay, y'all, listen up. First of all, the title of this is ridiculous. Teachers do not determine the gender of children. That's just one of the things put out by various media sources to push buttons. Teachers these days are walking tightropes between Admins, School Board, Politicians with agendas, and Parents, ALL while they are just trying to teach their subject area to the children. There is so much sh*t piled on the plates of teachers these days that I am really surprised that any are left in the classrooms.

Teachers are expected to:
  • teach social emotional skills to the kids, (when I was a kid, my parents did this)
  • feed them if they're hungry, (again, my parents did this when I was a kid)
  • refer them for counseling if there is any suspicion of a problem, contact CPS and file a report if there is an inkling of a suspicion of ANY kind of abuse (or risk losing their teaching license and livelihood),
  • secure the classroom & stand in front of your children if there is an active shooter in the building, while ensuring that your children get to a safe hiding place
  • react with kindness and understanding of behavior when assaulted by students, (or even parents)
  • differentiate the instruction of 30+ different individual students in each class group taught (including providing accommodations for Special education students with IEPS, students with 504 Plans, and students who are speakers of other languages) not to mention the students who are below grade level or have knowledge gaps
  • create a positive classroom environment
  • contact parents by phone calls or electronically whenever there is an issue or concern with the student, AND to also relate positive things that the students are doing because no one likes to get bad news all of the time!
  • create "classroom assessments" to determine if the students are learning concepts/info taught
  • Grade those assessments
  • Re-teach concepts missed while simultaneously covering new material for the day because the curriculums are now scripted and God help you if you are teaching Last Tuesday's lesson on Wednesday!
  • Prepare your students for the multitude of TESTS required by policy makers and making Pearson ( the lead testing company for EVERYTHING and based in the UK) a mint of money that could be devoted to other things needed by our schools (or maybe a tax cut for taxpayers), all the while losing additional instructional time due to the actual "testing" mechanism
  • create "meaningful and engaging" lesson plans and submit them to the Principal (and they must include objectives, standards, accommodations, etc.)
  • take on "additional duties as assigned": bus duty, hall duty, lunch duty, Tech person, etc.
  • "Cover" other classes/groups when there are NO Subs available
  • attend weekly & monthly meetings regarding instruction
  • participate in any IEP or 504 meetings
  • participate in "Professional Development" (and I use that term loosely because most of it these days is useless and only provided as a CYA by the District
  • Take graduate classes (paid for by the teacher, sometimes re-imbursed but most often not) in order to keep their license or move up in salary or responsibility
  • tolerate poor leadership at times because they can't afford to quit
  • cope with supply shortages (copy paper, pencils, toilet paper, paper towels, etc.)
  • devote an extra 10-20 hours outside of their work day to get things done because there is NO chance to get them done during the work day
  • completely tear down their classrooms every June and pack everything up, and then unpack it in August and put it all back up again, and the pressure to be Pinterest Perfect is huge (that "engaging" classroom piece above).
  • basically be a robot with no feelings, no flaws, never gets sick, doesn't have family, etc.
Having just left the field after 40 years, let me tell you that your Teachers are NOT okay! They are drowning, and leaving in droves, especially the good ones who just want to TEACH the children! The amount of bullsh*t going on in schools right now is unbelievable (especially if you're not IN it) and it is totally unsustainable. Google "Teacher Shortage" and see what you come up with for results. Because of the shortages nationwide, school districts have gotten to the point of putting in any warm body they can find. And when they can't find one, the position goes unfilled and the Teachers and other staff in the buildings lose their small amount of daily "planning time" (or even their lunch time) to cover those empty slots. And sometimes, the slots just don't get filled at all. They're combining classes (think 40+ students in a room with desks for 28), or just not even having that class or subject. My school was unable to fill my position for this school year. There is no one in my Library teaching the students how to choose valid resources, how to navigate & act online, how to evaluate media sources for accuracy and bias, AND, worst of all, the students who didn't have a whole lot of access to books, now have none.

So, don't EVEN go there with Teacher bashing. If you haven't walked in those shoes recently, you have no creds!
let a kindergarten teacher decide.jpg
 

Kyle

Beloved Misanthrope
PREMO Member
The reason the GOP is attacking teachers is because they don't want an educated population that will vote democrat. It's entirely transparent.
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OMG... Educated in WHAT? How to label everything you can't do Racist? How to fail at Math, History, Science and Language? :roflmao:

How to become a parasitic sycophant and latch onto the teet of government for all your sustenance? Or should it be Psycho-phant?

:jet: :roflmao:

Thats the best laugh all week.
 
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CPUSA

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:killingme :killingme :killingme :killingme :killingme :killingme :killingme


OMG... Educated in WHAT? How to label everything you can't do Racist? How to fail at Math, History, Science and Language? :roflmao:

How to become a parasitic sycophant and latch onto the teet of government for all your sustenance? Or should it be Psycho-phant?

:jet: :roflmao:

Thats the best laugh all week.
I'm tired of giving this dancing Monkey any attention...She's too ignorant to engage in conversation with.
 
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