Amber Frey claims to read the Bible

Nickel

curiouser and curiouser
pixiegirl said:
What about people with mental disabilities that have the mindset of a child and don't have the capacity to repent.
This is a very valid question and one I haven't thought of before, I'd be interested to know what the "answer is". Also, I went to the Holocaust Museum recently and am still a little traumatized from it. Would the fate of those children murdered by the Nazis (and for that matter the children who died in the Tsunami and all other non-Christian children) be given the same fate of children born to Christian parents?
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
vraiblonde said:
It's not about getting sprinkled on - it's about what's in your heart. The sprinkling is only symbolic and Jesus made several exceptions for those who weren't capable of making decisions on theri own.
Baptisim is a sign of submission. Being dunked in water will not save you from anything. Accepting Jesus as Savior and Lord will. He is the way, the truth, and the life.
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
Nickel said:
This is a very valid question and one I haven't thought of before, I'd be interested to know what the "answer is". Also, I went to the Holocaust Museum recently and am still a little traumatized from it. Would the fate of those children murdered by the Nazis (and for that matter the children who died in the Tsunami and all other non-Christian children) be given the same fate of children born to Christian parents?
Like I said, it is only my opinion, but I don't think God condemns children or anyone that cannot rationally make a decision for or against Him.
 

Nickel

curiouser and curiouser
Nickel said:
This is a very valid question and one I haven't thought of before, I'd be interested to know what the "answer is". Also, I went to the Holocaust Museum recently and am still a little traumatized from it. Would the fate of those children murdered by the Nazis (and for that matter the children who died in the Tsunami and all other non-Christian children) be given the same fate of children born to Christian parents?
Nevermind, I think my question was answered on the last page. :ohwell:
 
D

dems4me

Guest
2ndAmendment said:
Like I said, it is only my opinion, but I don't think God condemns children or anyone that cannot rationally make a decision for or against Him.


Doesn't it say somewhere in the Bible that someone that is not baptised willnever see the Kingdom of Heaven :shrug:
 

hamsterfang

The hamster litter reject
I just plain don't like the idea that Frey is publishing and capitalizing off of Laci's death. I could care less who she slept with.
 
D

dems4me

Guest
hamsterfang said:
I just plain don't like the idea that Frey is publishing and capitalizing off of Laci's death. I could care less who she slept with.


I agree with you 100% -- it's terrible how calculating she is about what interviews she does with who and where and a book deal and from what I hear a movie, etc... She should donate all of the money to some Laci Peterson fund or to family members or something. :mad:
 

vraiblonde

Board Mommy
PREMO Member
Patron
hamsterfang said:
I just plain don't like the idea that Frey is publishing and capitalizing off of Laci's death. I could care less who she slept with.
Nah, she earned her money. Think about the publicity that's she's been through. She could have remained silent and stayed anonymous, going about her life without everyone in the world knowing her personal history and having people on a public forum bickering about her morals or lack thereof.

I'll buy her book just as a token of gratitude that she did the right thing, despite what it cost her.
 
D

dems4me

Guest
vraiblonde said:
Nah, she earned her money. Think about the publicity that's she's been through. She could have remained silent and stayed anonymous, going about her life without everyone in the world knowing her personal history and having people on a public forum bickering about her morals or lack thereof.

I'll buy her book just as a token of gratitude that she did the right thing, despite what it cost her.


In that case, does this mean you will be buying Hillary's or Monica's book too? :killingme:

j/k :huggy: :kiss: :flowers:
 

vraiblonde

Board Mommy
PREMO Member
Patron
dems4me said:
In that case, does this mean you will be buying Hillary's or Monica's book too?
Name one thing either of those women did that could be classified as "doing the right thing".
 
D

dems4me

Guest
vraiblonde said:
Name one thing either of those women did that could be classified as "doing the right thing".


They kept everything "in-house" :cheesy:


:huggy:
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
I found it!
Romans 2:
11For there is no partiality with God.

12For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law;

13for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified.

14For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves,

15in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them,


16on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus.
I think the key to whether someone is judged if they haven't accepted God gift of salvation is in the emphasized scripture above. When people die who were not taught about the law or word of God, they are judged on how they lived or were "law to themselves", exercising self-control and living by God's laws even when they did not actually know them. If someone has the opportunity to accept God's gift of salvation and understands what it is, then there is a choice that is made. I don't think you can plead ignorance. Here is another passage that supports that a person is judged on what is in his heart; it is from Jesus.
Luke 6:43-45
43"For there is no good tree which produces bad fruit, nor, on the other hand, a bad tree which produces good fruit.

44"For each tree is known by its own fruit. For men do not gather figs from thorns, nor do they pick grapes from a briar bush.

45"The good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth what is good; and the evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth what is evil; for his mouth speaks from that which fills his heart.
But salvation is a gift of God, why reject Him?
 

Hello6

Princess of Mean
Romans 2:
11For there is no partiality with God.

But I thought He was partial to the little children, and not in a Michael Jackson sort of way.

I don't want to read this whole thing so if this has been said, you'll just have to deal:

Reading the Bible makes you as much as a Christian as much as reading the menu at McDonalds makes you hamburger.

/just sayin'
 
Last edited:

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
Hello6 said:
Romans 2:
11For there is no partiality with God.

But I thought He was partial to the little children, and not in a Michael Jackson sort of way.

I don't want to read this whole thing so if this has been said, you'll just have to deal:

Reading the Bible makes you as much as a Christian as much as reading the menu at McDonalds makes you hamburger.

/just sayin'
That is true. Satan knows the Bible completely and is able to convince people that it contradicts itself and condemns them with no way out. It does not. A Christian is anyone who has accepted Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord. It is that simple. The point of reading the Bible is knowing what the word of God says, so you can live by His plan. You don't try to operate a complex program or machine without reading the instruction manual. Why go through life without reading its manual?
 

pixiegirl

Cleopatra Jones
2ndAmendment said:
Why go through life without reading its manual?


Good point. I for one simply can not understand 80% of it. I've tried but I just don't get it. It's kinda like trying to read the technical manuals I use to have to edit at work. I can read the words just find but deciding what they mean is a different story. I'm not stupid, I've just never been an English person. Most literature either escapes of bores me. Give me some math problems and I'll do them all day. This is my problem with the bible. I can attempt to read it and come to "my" understanding of what something says and someone else can read the exact same thing and come up with a totally different explination of what they just read.

The kid thing was a thought provoking question. And even after much discussion I don't think anyone has come with with a clear concise answer. Too much grey area. I for one think that children and those that are incappable of understanding can not be damned. I refuse to think that the God that I believe in would punish a child for the actions or lack of action mae by their parents. Even though children do commit "sin" they are inherantly good.

Next question... What does the bible say about marriage? You had quoted some passages earlier about this. Many years ago before I married my first husband I had talked with an "all faith" minister who told me that marriage is a union between two people made by those two people. It has nothing to do with ritualistic ceremonies that we have today. Way back when people would pair up and chose to be with that person (there were also arranged marriages) then one day the church got a wild hair and decided that they needed to be part of these "life" decisions. Then as time went on the state got a wild hair and decided if the church was in on it then they had to be in on it too. So what does the bible say is the protocol for two people being married?
 

Hello6

Princess of Mean
2ndAmendment said:
Why go through life without reading its manual?
Are you one of those guys who stops and asks for driving directions when you're lost? Rarebreed indeed.
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
pixiegirl said:
Good point. I for one simply can not understand 80% of it. I've tried but I just don't get it. It's kinda like trying to read the technical manuals I use to have to edit at work. I can read the words just find but deciding what they mean is a different story. I'm not stupid, I've just never been an English person. Most literature either escapes of bores me. Give me some math problems and I'll do them all day. This is my problem with the bible. I can attempt to read it and come to "my" understanding of what something says and someone else can read the exact same thing and come up with a totally different explination of what they just read.
Don't give up. Keep praying and pray for understanding.

pixiegirl said:
The kid thing was a thought provoking question. And even after much discussion I don't think anyone has come with with a clear concise answer. Too much grey area. I for one think that children and those that are incappable of understanding can not be damned. I refuse to think that the God that I believe in would punish a child for the actions or lack of action mae by their parents. Even though children do commit "sin" they are inherantly good.
Although the Bible says no one is good except our Father in heaven, I do not think that those that are incapable of making decisions are put on a chute and sent directly to hell. Do not pass GO. Do not collect salvation. But that is my opinion.

pixiegirl said:
Next question... What does the bible say about marriage? You had quoted some passages earlier about this. Many years ago before I married my first husband I had talked with an "all faith" minister who told me that marriage is a union between two people made by those two people. It has nothing to do with ritualistic ceremonies that we have today. Way back when people would pair up and chose to be with that person (there were also arranged marriages) then one day the church got a wild hair and decided that they needed to be part of these "life" decisions. Then as time went on the state got a wild hair and decided if the church was in on it then they had to be in on it too. So what does the bible say is the protocol for two people being married?
Lots. But here are the major points. God originally ordained the union of man and a woman when He said it was not good for Adam to be alone and created Eve. The Bible does not really limit a man to one wife, but additional wives must be taken with the permission of all the previous wives and none of the wives can be deprived of their bed rights or other support when a new wife is added. Divorce is not part of the Biblical equation but was allowed because of the hardness of peoples hearts. The Bible says we should not be unequally yoked, i.e., Christian with non-Christian because it will cause strife. It says that a deacon or leader of a congregation should only have one wife. It also says it is probably best to stay single if you can, but it is better to marry if you cannot control your sexual desires. It says that a husband and wife should not withhold themselves from each other referring to sex so that there is no room for sin, i.e., fornication. Sex out of marriage is fornication which is a sin. A marriage was between a man and a woman and their union was declared publicly and recognized by the community. Some marriages were arranged by parents. Prospective husbands asked for permission to marry the daughter from the father or patriarch of the family. It was customary that the daughters married in order, oldest to youngest. A younger daughter could not marry until the older sisters were all married. A man who had a brother die without an heir would take his dead brother's wife to be his wife in order to raise an heir to his brother.

I know there is lots of controversy in my reply, but I can supply scripture on all of them if you want it.
 
Top