Another biker death today...

[Danzig]

This one was at Thompson's Corner just after noon.

 

[bad1032]

Yep single vehicle into a pole.

 

[OldHillcrestGuy]

Yep I know someone who lives on Thomspson Corner Rd. just moments before the accident, she said a crotch rocket came past her house proably in excess of 100mph. Accident happened in the area where those 2 little hills are, maybe he wasn't familiar with the road and when he hit that first hill, he possibly went airborne. :shrug:

 

[vraiblonde]

she said a crotch rocket came past her house proably in excess of 100mph.

I don't care one way or another about bikers (or even crotch rocketers ). Shoot, I even avoid tossing my cigarette butt out the window when one is behind me.

However.

It annoys me to see these little whiner bikes (and it's ALWAYS a little whiner bike, never a Harley or other big bike) whizzing past me at 90mph, whipping in and out of traffic, giving people a heart failure because one second the lane was clear and literally the next there's some punk on a neon green bike directly beside you who ignored the signal that you were going to change lanes.

If they get killed, that's their problem. And I don't feel sorry for them one little bit.

 

[Dougstermd]

I don't care one way or another about bikers (or even crotch rocketers ). Shoot, I even avoid tossing my cigarette butt out the window when one is behind me.

However.

It annoys me to see these little whiner bikes (and it's ALWAYS a little whiner bike, never a Harley or other big bike) whizzing past me at 90mph, whipping in and out of traffic, giving people a heart failure because one second the lane was clear and literally the next there's some punk on a neon green bike directly beside you who ignored the signal that you were going to change lanes.

If they get killed, that's their problem. And I don't feel sorry for them one little bit.

SO tell us how you really feel

 

[OldHillcrestGuy]

It annoys me to see these little whiner bikes (and it's ALWAYS a little whiner bike, never a Harley or other big bike) whizzing past me at 90mph, whipping in and out of traffic, giving people a heart failure because one second the lane was clear and literally the next there's some punk on a neon green bike directly beside you who ignored the signal that you were going to change lanes.

If they get killed, that's their problem. And I don't feel sorry for them one little bit.

Its like they have a death wish, it give's the decent motorcycle owners a bad rap. I have never seen a Harley fly by me doing what these people on crotch rockets are doing.

 

[mingiz]

I feel the same as vraiblonde. I used to ride. I also had alot of respect for the bike that I did ride. 2 wheels @ 100mph = STUPID. Ya get what ya deserve. It's just sad for the families involved.

 

[itsbob]

Its like they have a death wish, it give's the decent motorcycle owners a bad rap. I have never seen a Harley fly by me doing what these people on crotch rockets are doing.

that right there is funny.

Harley.. fly by... performance.. acceleration...

 

[edinsomd]

Another death caused by too much bike and not enough skill, very sad. I'm thinking a graduated licensing approach is a very good idea.
Ed

 

[MMDad]

Another death caused by too much bike and not enough skill, very sad. I'm thinking a graduated licensing approach is a very good idea.
Ed

This wasn't some teen who needs to be protected:

On July 1, 2007 at 12:11 p.m., Sylvester Allen Gray, 37 of Lusby, Calvert County, was traveling south-bound on Thompson Corner Road while riding a 2001 Suzuki sport bike. Police say Gray was driving above the posted speed limit.

If a 37 year old man wants to drive stupid and get himself dead, why should we stop him? Do you really think a graduated license would help?

Graduated licenses make sense forr teens in cars. Not for adults on bikes. If people want to ride too fast without helmets, let them. It cleans the gene pool.

 

[edinsomd]

This wasn't some teen who needs to be protected:
If a 37 year old man wants to drive stupid and get himself dead, why should we stop him? Do you really think a graduated license would help?

Graduated licenses make sense forr teens in cars. Not for adults on bikes. If people want to ride too fast without helmets, let them. It cleans the gene pool.

Respectfully disagree; age has no bearing on skills, or maturity for that matter. I'll bet money this dude came into the turn way too hot, freaked and hit the breaks, exactly the wrong thing to do. An experienced/trained rider 1. most likely wouldn't be in that position in the first place and
2. if there, would look through the apex and counter-steer to get every degree of lean he could, resulting at worst in a low side slide instead of a face full of telephone pole.
3. agree about helmets, we always need organ donors.
Ed
ATGATT

 

[dustin]

Respectfully disagree; age has no bearing on skills, or maturity for that matter. I'll bet money this dude came into the turn way too hot, freaked and hit the breaks, exactly the wrong thing to do. An experienced/trained rider 1. most likely wouldn't be in that position in the first place and
2. if there, would look through the apex and counter-steer to get every degree of lean he could, resulting at worst in a low side slide instead of a face full of telephone pole.
3. agree about helmets, we always need organ donors.
Ed
ATGATT

I agree with tiered/graduated licensing no matter what the beginner's age is.

It's a shame whenever someone dies tragically like this though.

 

[Ponytail]

I agree with tiered/graduated licensing no matter what the beginner's age is.

It's a shame whenever someone dies tragically like this though.

How does the tiered/graduated licensing work for Motorcyclists?

 

[vraiblonde]

I'd be curious how many of these folks are new riders. The ones I see are well into adulthood. Regardless, rider error is one thing: bad lean or whatever. People make mistakes. But the punks I see all over the place are zinging along at well over the speed limit, weaving in and out of traffic, blowing through red lights. I don't think you should need "experience" to tell you not to do those things.

 

[Lugnut]

How does the tiered/graduated licensing work for Motorcyclists?

I'm curious about the rationale behind tiered licensing. Any 250cc street bike can kill you JUST as dead as a liter bike can.

 

[flomaster]

Respectfully disagree; age has no bearing on skills, or maturity for that matter. I'll bet money this dude came into the turn way too hot, freaked and hit the breaks, exactly the wrong thing to do. An experienced/trained rider 1. most likely wouldn't be in that position in the first place and
2. if there, would look through the apex and counter-steer to get every degree of lean he could, resulting at worst in a low side slide instead of a face full of telephone pole.
3. agree about helmets, we always need organ donors.
Ed
ATGATT

Totally agree with ya brother but first you have to teach some of these kiddies that went from Rebels to Busa's what an Apex is!!!! Some of these idiots don't even know what counter steering is.

As far as Harley riders not being idiots like the crotch rocket guys are, trust me they are out there but most people don't buy hogs to drive like that so there are fewer of them. Just the way it is.

 

[Ponytail]

I'd be curious how many of these folks are new riders. The ones I see are well into adulthood. Regardless, rider error is one thing: bad lean or whatever. People make mistakes. But the punks I see all over the place are zinging along at well over the speed limit, weaving in and out of traffic, blowing through red lights. I don't think you should need "experience" to tell you not to do those things.

The excitemement, adrenaline rush and the "because you can" feeling are sometimes overwhelming and/or addictive. I've been guilty of it myself. I don't always ride like that. Usually it's just to get away from traffic, and I know there are others that will ride like that for miles. Stupidity and Ignorance are all that I can figure as a reason why. I see it here in PA and Del, and MOST times, I see them riding like that without helmets, or a single thread of protective gear anywhere.

At least I ride with my helmet, and if I feel the need to tear it up a bit, I make sure the jacket, gloves, and boots, at the minimum, are put on. It's nothing short of riding irresponsibly to ride without. But no amount of riding gear can protect you if you "lock on" to an object such as a pole. THAT is experience and rider responsibility alone.

One thing that young or inexpereinced motorcycle riders do wrong in situations that come up fast is "lock on" to an object that they want to miss. You are ALWAYS supposed to look in the direction that you want to go. It's the only way to make the bike go that way. If you are looking at the pole, a hole, a ditch or even a car, you'll hit it.

 

[MMDad]

Respectfully disagree; age has no bearing on skills, or maturity for that matter. I'll bet money this dude came into the turn way too hot, freaked and hit the breaks, exactly the wrong thing to do. An experienced/trained rider 1. most likely wouldn't be in that position in the first place and
2. if there, would look through the apex and counter-steer to get every degree of lean he could, resulting at worst in a low side slide instead of a face full of telephone pole.
3. agree about helmets, we always need organ donors.
Ed
ATGATT

I can't help but see the doofus I work with who does 85 MPH everywhere he goes. He's been riding for 12 years. He claims he has run from the police before and will again since they can't keep up. No amount of graduated license will keep stupid people alive if they want to do things that make them dead.

I feel sorry for the guys who get cut off or run into, or someone pulls out in front of them. I don't have sympathy for people who let their speed exceed their ability.

 

[flomaster]

The excitemement, adrenaline rush and the "because you can" feeling are sometimes overwhelming and/or addictive. I've been guilty of it myself. I don't always ride like that. Usually it's just to get away from traffic, and I know there are others that will ride like that for miles. Stupidity and Ignorance are all that I can figure as a reason why. I see it here in PA and Del, and MOST times, I see them riding like that without helmets, or a single thread of protective gear anywhere.

At least I ride with my helmet, and if I feel the need to tear it up a bit, I make sure the jacket, gloves, and boots, at the minimum, are put on. It's nothing short of riding irresponsibly to ride without. But no amount of riding gear can protect you if you "lock on" to an object such as a pole. THAT is experience and rider responsibility alone.

One thing that young or inexpereinced motorcycle riders do wrong in situations that come up fast is "lock on" to an object that they want to miss. You are ALWAYS supposed to look in the direction that you want to go. It's the only way to make the bike go that way. If you are looking at the pole, a hole, a ditch or even a car, you'll hit it.

So what you are saying is if I am sitting at my desk (at work) and I look hard to my right I will hit whats there? What a concept! You never told me that would work! Sorry guys, off topic and inside joke but couldn't help myself.

 

[Ponytail]

So what you are saying is if I am sitting at my desk (at work) and I look hard to my right I will hit whats there? What a concept! You never told me that would work! Sorry guys, off topic and inside joke but couldn't help myself.

Guess you gotta look over your shoulder a bit now.