Just answer the damn question. You wackos love to answer a question with a question. You think it makes you look intelligent, but it makes you look more confused that you already are.
Another Fundy wacko bites the dust
- Thread starter Bird Dog
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Just answer the damn question. You wackos love to answer a question with a question. You think it makes you look intelligent, but it makes you look more confused that you already are.
onel0126
Bead mumbler
I'm still waiting for b23 to post the url for his place of worship. I'm also waiting for b23 and chucky or anyone to answer my oh so elementary question of if Luther fixed the ills of the church, why aren't all Protestants Lutherans. No really I'm being serious. If all Protestants agree on the major tenets of Christianity (which they don't) then why all of the divisiveness and need for 33k denominations all scrambling for a piece of the Protestant pie?
Luther may get credit for being the father of the Reformation, but there was also Zwingli to deal with. Luther and Zwingli couldn't find agreement from the very beginning on things like the nature of the Eucharist and images, hence the difference between Lutheran and Reformed Protestants. But then everyone already knows this.
PsyOps
Pixelated
You're trying to get me to answer the question for Chuck. I want to see what he says the words 'believe' mean between the two verses he quoted. A lot of people don't get the real meaning of Greek as it is translated to English.
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onel0126
Bead mumbler
As you alluded to yes everyone knows this. But 33,000 and growing and they're still splintering. Christ is not happy
When the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Churches reunite, then we can talk.
OK its nice you know your history, but 1,000 years aqo....come on.
......and its only two, not 33,000 and growing
I didn't know that.
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Chuckt
Guest
Believe is Strong's # 4100 and it is the same word in John 3:16, John 5:24 and translated "commit" in John 2:24. The same faith that I put in a chair is the same faith that I put in Jesus.
John 2:24 But Jesus did not commit himself unto them, because he knew all men,
http://www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Jhn&c=2&v=24&t=KJV#conc/24
And I have fear in the Lord. Do I chose to do something wrong when no one is watching or do I do what is right? If you believe God is watching, you might have some fear of God from what you are doing.
Hebrews 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
Do you think I can get away with anything with God? If you aren't a son of God then maybe you can get away with it for a time without being disciplined. My life has people troubling me so I can look to God.
Why does God allow evil? So you can have a reason to look to Him and be saved.
Belief in God is also the same coin as repentance.
When we look to God, we are turning towards Him and sometimes repentance is a result of belief so when we look towards God, we often turn from something like sin.
There are more lessons in the Bible and they are right in front of you if you would only look. I also ran in to people trying to disprove what some people believe in salvation and I have an apologetic that what people are dismissing is actually faith in God.
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Chuckt
Guest
I'm not claiming that Luther fixed the ills of the Church. I'm not Lutheran but that is another discussion. I have a book called "Charts of Christian Theology" by Wayne House and I don't hold to some of the things that Lutherans believe.
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Chuckt
Guest
What about the internal evidence test? Can you test the Catholic church against the Bible? You can't because they lose at it which is why they no longer sear by the Bible and I have a Biblical argument for you.
King James Bible
Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.
http://biblehub.com/zechariah/13-7.htm
'smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered'. What happened when Jesus was smitten? And does the internal evidence show that the Catholic church scattered or did Christians....you know. the 33,000 protestant denominations represent the internal evidence of being scattered? Does the Catholic church represent a scattered Church? I think you can't answer it to my satisfaction and this is where Catholics who wanted to use my knowledge to help their church fight protestantism actually cut their conversation with me because they don't want their flock to hear the truth. Keep arguing against the 33,000 protestant denominations and you may hear this argument again and you may be asked about it. Do you have a good answer? No one has ever seriously given me an answer.
onel0126
Bead mumbler
Thank you and goodnight. Splintered factions with no central deposit of faith. Holy crap just admit it.
onel0126
Bead mumbler
Maybe it because it's early and I've only had one cup of coffee but this reads as jibberish. What the hell are you actually trying to ask?
hotcoffee
New Member
Ok... I'll bite...
It seems to me that Luther only opened the door for us to actually study the Scriptures for ourselves, in prayer, with the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
AND... When we, in prayer, with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, read how the church is supposed to be run.... it leaves us with options.
One option, the one I have chosen of late, is to stay away from all brick and mortar churches and depend on the Word.
Ok... I'll bite...
It seems to me that Luther only opened the door for us to actually study the Scriptures for ourselves, in prayer, with the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
AND... When we, in prayer, with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, read how the church is supposed to be run.... it leaves us with options.
One option, the one I have chosen of late, is to stay away from all brick and mortar churches and depend on the Word.
A few of the histories of Luther I've read stated that he had one regret after translating the Bible into German. People would read passages thinking they meant something entirely different from what the established understanding at the time. Luther felt it was the clergy's duty to instruct the laity on the meaning of what they were reading. Sort of like the story of Philip and the Eunuch.
Hmm. My ex used to call me that.
onel0126
Bead mumbler
Your assertion that he had one regret is an understatement at best. Dozens at the least, and the fact that he called for a priest (but was denied this request) on his death bed speaks volumes...
http://www.thecatholictreasurechest.com/reform.htm
That's like referencing HuffPo when discussing conservatives.