As in the days of Noah.....

[baydoll]

because unlike family guy, jesus isn't walking the earth.

if he was alive, but isn't anymore, HE IS DEAD. just like every other person who ever walked the earth.
If he IS RISEN, where the eff is he, cuz he isn't walking the earth.

In heaven.

 

[baydoll]

common sense .... logic ....

oh ah ha ha ha

forgot who I was talking to for a sec lol

No... common sense and logic according to you.

 

[Xaquin44]

If I'm wrong and God doesn't exist and the Bible is really just a bunch of fairy tale, then you (and I ) will cease to exist. I have nothing to lose. But at least the last part of my life was much MUCH better than the first part and I will die a happy, peaceful, contented soul.

I assure you I will die a happy soul.

(I mean unless I drown or something, but you catch my drift I hope)

But if I'm right about God and the Bible is His Word and every Word is true, then you are in for a very rude awakening, my friend.

If I'm in for a rude awakening, then it's no fault of my own. If you want or expect intelligent people to believe in you (god that is) then you'll have to do a little better then a 2,000 year old book that has been retranslated and in many cases falsely translated. Also, when this book contains many contridictions and false information it becomes unreliable. Add to that, the fact that every person in the world interprates it differently and says that theirs is the correct translation, and it leaves much to be desired.

I will not believe something just for the sake of having something to believe in. Especially something with so many obvious flaws.

If I go to hell for not believing in god, then he should head on down with me for giving me no reason to believe in him in the first place.

 

[tommyjones]

In heaven.

so he died

 

[Xaquin44]

No... common sense and logic according to you.

exactly. Common sense does not account for miracles etc. Logic hardly explains the noah's ark garbage etc.

 

[tommyjones]

Well how about I give it a shot about what will happens to you after you die....


If I'm wrong and God doesn't exist and the Bible is really just a bunch of fairy tale, then you (and I ) will cease to exist. I have nothing to lose. But at least the last part of my life was much MUCH better than the first part and I will die a happy, peaceful, contented soul. Can you say the same?


But if I'm right about God and the Bible is His Word and every Word is true, then you are in for a very rude awakening, my friend.

and now we are back to where we started.....

again i must ask, if you are a christian just to hedge your bets (that sure is what it sounds like) then why do you not alos pray to allah, i menan he is just as likely to be the 'right' god as jesus. what if you are wrong and all those islamics are right. dont you want your 23 vigins?

 

[godsbutterfly]

and did you know that the very same Jews did not believe that mary bore the son of god?

so you wouldn't believe that story from your own flesh and blood, but you are willing to accept it about an unwed mother from 2000 years ago?

The Jewish people believe Jesus was a prophet and a healer (just as they believe there were other prophets and healers) but do not believe He is the Messiah. They do not accept a Messiah being born as an infant to a poor family - even one that could trace back to King David.

 

[suzanne]

Baydoll, despite being called "stupid", a "tard" and lacking "common sense", you really persevered. After having read the Bible and the many prophecies, I believe it takes more faith to NOT believe than to believe in Jesus Christ. I wish there was a way to convey the comfort that comes from knowing and having a relationship with Jesus Christ. A way of explaining that one will never be alone or devastated, despite horrible circumstances. I wish I could explain the joy I feel at knowing where I'll be upon my death. Thats faith. Unfortunately, Baydoll, peoples' hearts can be hardened, but you were great.

 

[Xaquin44]

ahahaha

yes, it takes much more faith to believe in documented and proveable fact then capt. invisible.

 

[tommyjones]

ahahaha

yes, it takes much more faith to believe in documented and proveable fact then capt. invisible.

i think it actually does.
it is very easy to accept that your magic friend is always going to be there to comfort you and make sure everything is ok, and that you are never going to die if you are his friend........

it takes a strong person to turn their back on what has been forced upon them since birth and realize that its all a very nice story, but a fiction designed to make us all feel good, kind of like santa and the easter bunny.

 

[baydoll]

and now we are back to where we started.....

again i must ask, if you are a christian just to hedge your bets (that sure is what it sounds like) then why do you not alos pray to allah, i menan he is just as likely to be the 'right' god as jesus. what if you are wrong and all those islamics are right. dont you want your 23 vigins?

Have you researched Islam?

 

[baydoll]

exactly. Common sense does not account for miracles etc. Logic hardly explains the noah's ark garbage etc.

Why is it illogical to build a boat?

 

[tommyjones]

Have you researched Islam?

it doesn't matter, if you are praying to your god only as a "just in case he's the right one" then shouldn't you be praying to all of them just in case?

BTW alah and God are the same entity, just different names and points of view. it is rediculous that some christians and muslims have such discontent for each other.

 

[Xaquin44]

Why is it illogical to build a boat?

willfully stupid or an act?

I can't decide.

 

[baydoll]

The onus is on you, since you are the one making the claim, that not only did Jesus exit (he may have) but that he was also the Son of God.

If you SINCERELY want to know if Jesus is the Son of God and that He existed, there is an excellent book called The Case For Christ by Lee Strobel.

This was written by a guy whom as an athiest set out in search of evidence and material to prove Jesus Christ to be a fraud.....

" He has a Master of Studies in Law degree from Yale Law School and was an award-winning journalist at the Chicago Tribune. He was a courtroom analyst and the legal Editor of the Chicago Tribune. He conducted his examination with no religious bias, other than his predisposition to atheism. Strobel asks one thing of each reader - remain unbiased in your examination of the evidence. In the end, judge the evidence for yourself. "

The entire premise of your Belief structure is that you Can NOT prove with evidence that he existed, or even if he did that he was the Son of God. Because you have to have Faith.

Having Faith, by definition, requires no empirical evidence

It is truly amazing how one has to assume that just because we believe (or, in your case disbelieve) something makes it true or not.

We believe in many things we can’t see.

Have you ever seen the wind? History? Have you ever seen your brain? We see the ‘effects’ of the wind but it is invisible. We have records of history but it is by ‘faith’ that we believe certain historical events happened. Television waves are invisible but cable and the like can detect their presence. The same principle applies to those who are ‘connected’ to God are aware of the invisible spiritual realm which is unseen and unknown by those like yourself who have no desire to be part of God.

By ‘faith’ you claim there is no God….so where is this empirical evidence of yours that says this ?

 

[baydoll]

it doesn't matter, if you are praying to your god only as a "just in case he's the right one" then shouldn't you be praying to all of them just in case?

BTW alah and God are the same entity, just different names and points of view. it is rediculous that some christians and muslims have such discontent for each other.

God has a Son. Islam says God doesn't. That's a huge difference between the two.

 

[baydoll]

Baydoll, despite being called "stupid", a "tard" and lacking "common sense", you really persevered. After having read the Bible and the many prophecies, I believe it takes more faith to NOT believe than to believe in Jesus Christ. I wish there was a way to convey the comfort that comes from knowing and having a relationship with Jesus Christ. A way of explaining that one will never be alone or devastated, despite horrible circumstances. I wish I could explain the joy I feel at knowing where I'll be upon my death. Thats faith. Unfortunately, Baydoll, peoples' hearts can be hardened, but you were great

Thank you dear Friend. That means a lot to me.

 

[Xaquin44]

Have you ever seen the wind? History? Have you ever seen your brain? We see the ‘effects’ of the wind but it is invisible. We have records of history but it is by ‘faith’ that we believe certain historical events happened. Television waves are invisible but cable and the like can detect their presence. The same principle applies to those who are ‘connected’ to God are aware of the invisible spiritual realm which is unseen and unknown by those like yourself who have no desire to be part of God.

By ‘faith’ you claim there is no God….so where is this empirical evidence of yours that says this ?

Yeah, the big problem with all your examples is the copius amounts of evidence they all have to back them up. Except for 'god' that is.

 

[baydoll]

so he died

And I said this where?

 

[tommyjones]

God has a Son. Islam says God doesn't. That's a huge difference between the two.

so does judeism, but that is the same god.

all three are the same god.


and since you can't know which will be the true religion to follow, shouldn't you (a bet hedger) give the same value to each, just in case?