Being a black man

[vraiblonde]

nor do I think that potentially rehabilitated criminals make for good service members.

I'll bet over half of all infantrymen are potentially rehabilitated criminals. I have no statistics to back this up, but a good majority of the guys (and gals) that my ex worked with in the Army were bad eggs who joined the military to get out of their situation and make something of themselves. Most of them never went "home" for holidays or vacations because they didn't have anything to go back to - just the hood rats and their dysfunctional family that they were trying to escape.

My DIL's best girlfriend is the cutest little Army babe you ever saw - looks like she should be on a recruiting poster. But she dreads going back to visit her family because they're all a bunch of losers. Her sister was murdered recently by her abusive boyfriend's drug buddy. She's the only one in her whole family that's worth a crap.

You may have had a different experience and all of your compatriots were straight shooters just wanting to serve their country, but that has not been my experience.

 

[Ken King]

I'll bet over half of all infantrymen are potentially rehabilitated criminals. I have no statistics to back this up, but a good majority of the guys (and gals) that my ex worked with in the Army were bad eggs who joined the military to get out of their situation and make something of themselves. Most of them never went "home" for holidays or vacations because they didn't have anything to go back to - just the hood rats and their dysfunctional family that they were trying to escape.

My DIL's best girlfriend is the cutest little Army babe you ever saw - looks like she should be on a recruiting poster. But she dreads going back to visit her family because they're all a bunch of losers. Her sister was murdered recently by her abusive boyfriend's drug buddy. She's the only one in her whole family that's worth a crap.

You may have had a different experience and all of your compatriots were straight shooters just wanting to serve their country, but that has not been my experience.

So, you going to ask the boy what he thinks?

 

[sugarmama]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/01/AR2006060102184_5.html?sub=AR



I definitely blame the media for fostering stereotypes. The question is, when you see a black man approach the door to 7/11, is the stereotype that he'll open it or not?

Hell no!

 

[vraiblonde]

So, you going to ask the boy what he thinks?

I would but he's in Iraq right now. I'll ask my DIL when I call her tonight.

 

[vraiblonde]

Hell no!

Catch up. Black guys open the door - white guys do not.

 

[Ken King]

Catch up. Black guys open the door - white guys do not.

I thought you said that the older, unkempt, hairy, looking like wino ones do.

 

[itsbob]

I'll bet over half of all infantrymen are potentially rehabilitated criminals.

You'd be wrong...

the Army does an extensive background check on EVERYONE that joins the Army.. Used to be a random sampling of 5 - 10%, but now EVERYONE gets checked out, to include an national check (Sp?), and police checks from everywhere they have worked, went to school or resided in the last 5 years (City, County and State).. if anything more then a traffic offense comes up they have to be wiaivered to join.. Depending on the seriousness of the crime depends on who has to approve it, and if it's a felony, forget it, a recruiter is not going to waste his time doing a felony (including ANY drug or weapons charges) waiver (3 - 6 months to complete) when he has to put 3 people in the Army within the next 2 weeks..

A single DUI is a possibility, a single misdameanor OK.. anything more, I wouldn't have wasted my time on...

Now there are MANY criminals out there that haven't been caught yet.. those I can't speak to..

 

[itsbob]

AND when you get a waiver back, there is no stipulation as to what job they do, other then the ones that require a clearance.. so they could be an infantryman, or they could be a finance clerk..

now if they didn't do well on the tests.. well the Army needs Drycleaners, and Truck Drivers too..

 

[residentofcre]

You'd be wrong...

the Army does an extensive background check on EVERYONE that joins the Army.. Used to be a random sampling of 5 - 10%, but now EVERYONE gets checked out, to include an national check (Sp?), and police checks from everywhere they have worked, went to school or resided in the last 5 years (City, County and State).. if anything more then a traffic offense comes up they have to be wiaivered to join.. Depending on the seriousness of the crime depends on who has to approve it, and if it's a felony, forget it, a recruiter is not going to waste his time doing a felony (including ANY drug or weapons charges) waiver (3 - 6 months to complete) when he has to put 3 people in the Army within the next 2 weeks..

A single DUI is a possibility, a single misdameanor OK.. anything more, I wouldn't have wasted my time on...

Now there are MANY criminals out there that haven't been caught yet.. those I can't speak to..

The Alice's Restaurant type of the 70's is gone...

 

[itsbob]

.. and the ones that you think come from bad backgrounds.. they aren't in the infantry.. check out the finance offices, and the personnel admin offices.

 

[gumbo]

I'll bet over half of all infantrymen are potentially rehabilitated criminals. I have no statistics to back this up, but a good majority of the guys (and gals) that my ex worked with in the Army were bad eggs who joined the military to get out of their situation and make something of themselves. Most of them never went "home" for holidays or vacations because they didn't have anything to go back to - just the hood rats and their dysfunctional family that they were trying to escape.

My DIL's best girlfriend is the cutest little Army babe you ever saw - looks like she should be on a recruiting poster. But she dreads going back to visit her family because they're all a bunch of losers. Her sister was murdered recently by her abusive boyfriend's drug buddy. She's the only one in her whole family that's worth a crap.

You may have had a different experience and all of your compatriots were straight shooters just wanting to serve their country, but that has not been my experience.

Wasn't America founded by criminals and undesirables?
For real ..think about it. What normal person would get on a boat for months, not knowing if the world was really flat, to a land of nothing.
Wasn't Australia a penal colony?
My point is, people change with their environment and if you take the simi-un-molded mind of a young person,sky is the limit.

 

[gumbo]

No, I know some can change, but why would you want to hinder our military with bringing about that change? That isn't the place for it as it is hard enough to get non-criminals to learn to adhere to the military way of life with its discipline and structure. Not to mention training a known thug how to better use a firearm like what would be turned out with your typical Army 11B or Marine 0351/0311 as some of their crimes will limit where they can be used.

So Ken..are you denying that military academy's have not molded thousands of rotten kids into outstanding service men?

 

[Ken King]

So Ken..are you denying that military academy's have not molded thousands of rotten kids into outstanding service men?

Did I say that? I don't think so. But then again this is the first instance of the military academies coming up. And I take it you are talking about the high school type and not the major military universities.

What I have said is that the boot camp for the JDs might be a good idea, but and to use your words "then automatically enroll their butt for a 4 year hitch in the military for payment of teaching them how to live." is what I disagree with. For some it might work, but having been in the military when judges were giving the option of where one did their time (military or lock-up) and serving with some that chose the military route I found that it wasn't a very good idea. Most actually goofed off, got busted a couple of times, and then they finally were drummed out prior to completing their service requirement and they got out of their criminal sentence too.

All I am saying is that the military doesn't need this social rehabilitaion function, would you consider sending these same kids to a police academy and then have them become officers working the streets that you live on?

 

[LexiGirl75]

I loved her accent... Does anyone remember this line?

Susan Smith.

I just want my babies to know "Yo momma luh you so mutch".


Her boys were adorable.

 

[vraiblonde]

All I am saying is that the military doesn't need this social rehabilitaion function, would you consider sending these same kids to a police academy and then have them become officers working the streets that you live on?

And I suppose you think all cops were straight-A good children who were home tucked in their beddie-byes every Friday and Saturday night.

 

[Ken King]

And I suppose you think all cops were straight-A good children who were home tucked in their beddie-byes every Friday and Saturday night.

No, but how many went from being incarcerated as a kid to the police academy and then to the streets as a cop? I would guess very few if any. I wonder why that is?

 

[vraiblonde]

No, but how many went from being incarcerated as a kid to the police academy and then to the streets as a cop?

I was unaware that we were talking specifically about kids who had been incarcerated. But even then, everyone deserves a second chance. What's your idea for these kids, or do you have one? Because jail isn't the answer for random hooligans.

 

[Ken King]

I was unaware that we were talking specifically about kids who had been incarcerated. But even then, everyone deserves a second chance. What's your idea for these kids, or do you have one? Because jail isn't the answer for random hooligans.

And you said I have a ready comprehension problem. :sheesh: Try looking at Gumbo's post that started this. http://forums.somd.com/showpost.php?p=1532056&postcount=25 See where he says "but I say if the law catches any juvenile doing any of this gangster pimp smack da ho beotch, joyride, get over sell crack and rob to get da Benz sheot." That is the type kid I thought we were talking about.

My response was no way with the military route, but to make them do full sentences and transfer them to a regular prison once they hit 18. So what's your idea on what to do?

 

[vraiblonde]

And you said I have a ready comprehension problem. :sheesh:

Sheesh, yourself.

 

[Ken King]

Sheesh, yourself.

Should I search for minor errors in your posts or are you diverting the conversation now because you have no answer.