Being a black man

[gumbo]

No, I'm the youngest, sis is the oldest, and he's in the middle.

Come to think of it, my half-sister is the successful one and my half-brother is a low-life druggie. Hmm....

Ah ha I see the problem.
They were raised in a female dominant household..

 

[jazz lady]

Ah ha I see the problem.
They were raised in a female dominant household..

Actually, they were raised in two different households but both were led by a very tyrannical and dominating male.

 

[Ken King]

Do you not understand that children are like un programmed computers, every piece of input they get from their environment makes up who they will become. If all you know is ghetto,then you will more than likely be ghetto.
So what your really saying is every computer that has a glitch or an error can't be fixed and should be dis-guarded.

I understand pretty damn well about the development of children. I’ve raised a few to adulthood and I know that by the time they are in their teens they know what is right and wrong. If you have kids you would know this too. You would also know that they press the boundaries of acceptability, that they try to manipulate others, and that their environment is only a part of what it is that they become. I know that to correct inappropriate behavior there must be consequences for them to suffer when they step over the bounds. And if you would set aside your behemoth ego you would see that I said nothing about discarding them like trash. I said it would be dependent upon the crime they committed as to whether they should have the option of the camps.

I did not say a damn thing about, nor did I imply that you were a racist.
Archie Bunker was many things, he was close minded, a bigot and a racist. You pick the one I was implying, it should be fairly easy since one has been removed from the equation.

Right, if you say so sport. I guess you’re an expert on Archie Bunker too. Your ego has driven you to labeling and name-calling simply because I don’t agree with your concept. It is a concept that has been tried before with less than desirable results. You choose not to listen to experience and think you know what is best. With no adequate rebuttal you slither to a lower level that shows your character now doesn’t it?

Once again..Did I say or imply, that all who attend boot camp do a 4 year hitch, or did I say those who were taught?

In a previous response I made I said I understood that part of it, but I also know that some of these kids will scam their way through the boot camp. What is the recourse should they fail, back to a normal correctional facility, thus they are motivated to comply with the program if they don’t want to go back, right? That doesn’t mean that they have changed at the root, I suspect that a few might, though I suspect that more won’t because they have already been programmed and know what works for them. What portion, who knows because they don’t seem to have the data for that as the .pdf file you attached concluded.

Actually children respond very well to boot camps the problem I see is that they are returned back into their cesspool environment.
If you offer them a way out of the cesspool, after release of boot camp, lets say a real training program by our armed forces ,"you earn your way into the service".
I bet people would be surprised at how many of these kids jump on it.
http://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/187680.pdf

Well that is your opinion and while in the program it seems that they do respond better based on the study, but without the follow on data no one knows the true results as to the camps effectiveness. And there are other ways to get them out of the cesspool without hampering the military with the task. Send them to Job Corps, the Peace Corps, Hell send them to Jimmy Carter and his Homes for Humanity program all which can teach them a trade and lead to a better life. For the kids that show potential they could give them grants for higher or technical education that would not only provide training in a training environment but it would also remove them from the environment that you believe resulted in their incarceration. If one only opens their eyes they could see that there are other paths to take without placing the burden on the military, which does not want or need the burden of another social experiment.

 

[vraiblonde]

I’ve raised a few to adulthood and I know that by the time they are in their teens they know what is right and wrong.

DUH! That's because YOU TAUGHT THEM! What about the kids who don't HAVE anyone to teach them right from wrong???

I'll be back to refute the rest of what I'm sure is your silly post when I get to the office.

 

[gumbo]

I understand pretty damn well about the development of children. I’ve raised a few to adulthood and I know that by the time they are in their teens they know what is right and wrong. If you have kids you would know this too. You would also know that they press the boundaries of acceptability, that they try to manipulate others, and that their environment is only a part of what it is that they become. I know that to correct inappropriate behavior there must be consequences for them to suffer when they step over the bounds. And if you would set aside your behemoth ego you would see that I said nothing about discarding them like trash. I said it would be dependent upon the crime they committed as to whether they should have the option of the camps.


Right, if you say so sport. I guess you’re an expert on Archie Bunker too. Your ego has driven you to labeling and name-calling simply because I don’t agree with your concept. It is a concept that has been tried before with less than desirable results. You choose not to listen to experience and think you know what is best. With no adequate rebuttal you slither to a lower level that shows your character now doesn’t it?


In a previous response I made I said I understood that part of it, but I also know that some of these kids will scam their way through the boot camp. What is the recourse should they fail, back to a normal correctional facility, thus they are motivated to comply with the program if they don’t want to go back, right? That doesn’t mean that they have changed at the root, I suspect that a few might, though I suspect that more won’t because they have already been programmed and know what works for them. What portion, who knows because they don’t seem to have the data for that as the .pdf file you attached concluded.


Well that is your opinion and while in the program it seems that they do respond better based on the study, but without the follow on data no one knows the true results as to the camps effectiveness. And there are other ways to get them out of the cesspool without hampering the military with the task. Send them to Job Corps, the Peace Corps, Hell send them to Jimmy Carter and his Homes for Humanity program all which can teach them a trade and lead to a better life. For the kids that show potential they could give them grants for higher or technical education that would not only provide training in a training environment but it would also remove them from the environment that you believe resulted in their incarceration. If one only opens their eyes they could see that there are other paths to take without placing the burden on the military, which does not want or need the burden of another social experiment.

I never called you any names, I simply referred to your attitude.
However I can see now that my behemoth ego is no match for your far more superior ultra ego.

NOT! Truth is I don't have time to set you straight right now.

 

[Willona]

My problem with this whole "being a black man" article is that I think it's totally racist..., unless the post intends to do stories on "being a white man", "being an asian man", "being a latino/hispanic man", get where im goin with this?,, Being a white man today is harder than being a black man, because everyone goes out of their way to not descriminate against the black man, that it's the white man that gets descriminated and gets f'd out of everything now, and let's not forget the white woman too!. I have sent a couple of messages to the post about this. The only response I got was a stupid computer generated one that thanked me for my reply. So, in typical post manner, I suppose they will just ignore me and not do any other stories of race, unless it is the black race.

Wilona W.

 

[Nupe2]

"It was a joke you dillhole." Thanks for the red karma

Happy Birthday!

 

[CK-1]

Have you bumped your head? Most prisons are 85 to 90% black.
And according to our census bureau blacks make up only 11% of the nation, which I have come to the conclusion that our census bureau is only counting blacks that are incarcerated and on parole or probation.

I will grant you that people fear what they don't understand, but however if you go through a poor white town, you don't see all the windows boarded up and you don't get served through a slot in bullet proof glass.

Are you insisting that our justice system is sound?..

Just us..