Best reason for the holiday season

Starman3000m

Starman3000m

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nhboy said:
"Whether Christians like it or not, Christmas is about more than Jesus. Jesus might have been 'the reason for the season' but now the season is about more than him."

Glynn Cardy: Embracing universal values is the best reason for the holiday season - 13 Dec 2007 - Religion and beliefs news - NZ Herald
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Yes, and because "the season" has become more than just a focus on the birth of Yeshua HaMashiach there is an ever increasing rate of suicides, indebtedness, family quarrels, loneliness, and temporary compassion and generosity that should never be temporary but ever present in the heart of mankind.

Conclusion: Our societies have replaced the "Reason For The Season" to Season To Be Pleasin' and the result is diverted from the original intent which is to remind this lost and dying world that
Unto us a Saviour Is Born.

For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. (Luke 2:11)


God Did For Mankind What Abraham Was Going To Do For God.
 
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foodcritic

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Every aspect of Christmas mentioned in this article are all tenants of the Christian faith. The only difference is as Christians we are supposed to show Gods love and what Jesus did for all of us all year long not only on Christmas.
 
This_person

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wxtornado said:
Yes, Christmas has pagan origins, and I suspect most people know this.
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The trappings of Christmas - the tree, the time of year, etc., etc. Celebrating the birth of the Christ - that's pretty much pure Christ.

I'm not disagree with the sentiment, just clarifying.
 
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Makavide

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The word for Christmas in late Old English is Cristes Maesse, the Mass of Christ, first found in 1038, and Cristes-messe, in 1131. In Dutch it is Kerst-misse, in Latin Dies Natalis, whence comes the French Noël, and Italian Il natale; in German Weihnachtsfest, from the preceeding sacred vigil. The term Yule is of disputed origin. It is unconnected with any word meaning "wheel". The name in Anglo-Saxon was geol, feast: geola, the name of a month (cf. Icelandic iol a feast in December).

Xaquin44 said:
haha christmas was around way earlier then christ.
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So, Christmas was not around before Christ
 
Xaquin44

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Makavide said:
The word for Christmas in late Old English is Cristes Maesse, the Mass of Christ, first found in 1038, and Cristes-messe, in 1131. In Dutch it is Kerst-misse, in Latin Dies Natalis, whence comes the French Noël, and Italian Il natale; in German Weihnachtsfest, from the preceeding sacred vigil. The term Yule is of disputed origin. It is unconnected with any word meaning "wheel". The name in Anglo-Saxon was geol, feast: geola, the name of a month (cf. Icelandic iol a feast in December).



So, Christmas was not around before Christ
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-sigh-

the celebration was .... which is what I was getting at.
 
nhboy

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Makavide said:
The word for Christmas in late Old English is Cristes Maesse, the Mass of Christ, first found in 1038, and Cristes-messe, in 1131. In Dutch it is Kerst-misse, in Latin Dies Natalis, whence comes the French Noël, and Italian Il natale; in German Weihnachtsfest, from the preceeding sacred vigil. The term Yule is of disputed origin. It is unconnected with any word meaning "wheel". The name in Anglo-Saxon was geol, feast: geola, the name of a month (cf. Icelandic iol a feast in December). So, Christmas was not around before Christ
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"Christmas was not among the earliest festivals of the Church. Irenaeus and Tertullian omit it from their lists of feasts; Origen, glancing perhaps at the discreditable imperial Natalitia, asserts (in Lev. Hom. viii in Migne, P.G., XII, 495) that in the Scriptures sinners alone, not saints, celebrate their birthday; Arnobius (VII, 32 in P.L., V, 1264) can still ridicule the "birthdays" of the gods."

Just to add a link.

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Christmas
 
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Makavide

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Xaquin44 said:
-sigh-

the celebration was .... which is what I was getting at.
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Yes, I realize you were talking about mid-winter festivals and such. However, there are people who do not have the knowledge you have. They will read your post, believe it and go out and proclaim that "Christmas was celebrated before Christ was born - it is true I read it on the internet." They will then be laughed at and ridculed and will end up refusing to try and learn more. And in the end, we will have another democrat.
 
Xaquin44

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Makavide said:
Yes, I realize you were talking about mid-winter festivals and such. However, there are people who do not have the knowledge you have. They will read your post, believe it and go out and proclaim that "Christmas was celebrated before Christ was born - it is true I read it on the internet." They will then be laughed at and ridculed and will end up refusing to try and learn more. And in the end, we will have another democrat.
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and then the bones of those lost at sea will rise to pillage again!
 
Starman3000m

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Xaquin44 said:
haha christmas was around way earlier then christ.
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Yes, pagan celebrations were definitely around before Christ. They gave gifts to each other and to their gods but their gods did not give them anything in return.

The celebration of Christmas is about the Gift that God gave mankind - the gift to be Divinely forgiven, reconciled with God and to receive eternal life.

God Did For Mankind What Abraham Was Going To Do For God.
 
This_person

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Makavide said:
They will read your post, believe it and go out and proclaim "it is true I read it on the internet." They will then be laughed at and ridculed and will end up refusing to try and learn more. And in the end, we will have another democrat.
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That is DAMNED funny!!!!!















'cuz it's true!
 
somdprincess

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Makavide said:
The word for Christmas in late Old English is Cristes Maesse, the Mass of Christ, first found in 1038, and Cristes-messe, in 1131. In Dutch it is Kerst-misse, in Latin Dies Natalis, whence comes the French Noël, and Italian Il natale; in German Weihnachtsfest, from the preceeding sacred vigil. The term Yule is of disputed origin. It is unconnected with any word meaning "wheel". The name in Anglo-Saxon was geol, feast: geola, the name of a month (cf. Icelandic iol a feast in December).



So, Christmas was not around before Christ
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only the name, the event still took place before Christ.
 
nhboy

nhboy

Ubi bene ibi patria
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that you folks have taken care of all the petty stuff, the best of the article was it's concluding paragraph.....

"This Christmas, whatever our faith, culture, or background, let's try to celebrate the values of generosity, caring, togetherness, and hospitality. These things reflect Christianity but also transcend it, embracing a borderless spirituality."
 
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ItalianScallion

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Xaquin44 said:
haha christmas was around way earlier then christ.
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Only you could say that, my friend:killingme I guess cars were around long before their inventor?
wxtornado said:
Yes, Christmas has pagan origins, and I suspect most people know this.
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Christmas was placed right about the time of the pagan holiday celebration (Dec 17-23) of Saturnalia the Roman god of seed planting (sowing). Many people don't know that because Christmas has overridden it since it's inception @ 325AD.
No one really knows when Jesus was born however, but to say that Christmas had pagan "origins"? Let's see:
Christmas tree decorating originated in Germany with the practice of decorating a "Paradise" tree with apples symbolizing the tree of life in the garden of Eden.
Another custom of that time was a triangular shaped wooden shelf filled with small figurines and topped with a star shaped figure representing the star that the "wise men" followed. The tree & the shelf were later combined to form the tree with it's star on top & the decorations on it. Candles were actually used as lights for the trees but, as you can imagine, were a fire hazard.
Santa Clause was of Christian origin not pagan. He was an Anglican bishop (named Sinter Klass) from the 4th century. A man that regularly gave gifts to small children and was at the Council of Nicea where he supported the doctrine of the Trinity (The Biblical Godhead). Now, about the flying reindeer, North Pole home and coming down a chimney.....????
The wise men of the Bible WERE educated men led by God to Jesus' manger and were shown, in a dream, how to avoid King Herod, so their gift giving was accepted by God Himself. (Matthew 2 v 9 & 12).
Finally, of all the traditional Christmas songs out today, one can only name very few that aren't about Jesus or mention His name.
So why would anyone make Christmas sound like it had pagan origins? What does it matter if it did? I was pagan then I became Christian. The bottom line is that it is about celebrating the birth of Jesus, the Savior of the world. What's wrong with that? Yes it does get very commercial but why not give to help others instead of filling their lives with material things? I'm giving away some Bibles to young people this Christmas:yay:
 
Starman3000m

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nhboy said:
that you folks have taken care of all the petty stuff, the best of the article was it's concluding paragraph.....

"This Christmas, whatever our faith, culture, or background, let's try to celebrate the values of generosity, caring, togetherness, and hospitality. These things reflect Christianity but also transcend it, embracing a borderless spirituality."
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If only those values could be exhibited every day, every season and not forgotten when the celebration is over.
 
itsbob

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Makavide said:
The word for Christmas in late Old English is Cristes Maesse, the Mass of Christ, first found in 1038, and Cristes-messe, in 1131. In Dutch it is Kerst-misse, in Latin Dies Natalis, whence comes the French Noël, and Italian Il natale; in German Weihnachtsfest, from the preceeding sacred vigil. The term Yule is of disputed origin. It is unconnected with any word meaning "wheel". The name in Anglo-Saxon was geol, feast: geola, the name of a month (cf. Icelandic iol a feast in December).



So, Christmas was not around before Christ
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But Christmas is a made up religous holiday, Christ wasn't even born anywhere near December.. Closer to April..
 
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