Xaquin44
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The date of birth of christ isn't important?
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The date of birth of christ isn't important?
fredcaudle
New Member
!. your assuming they didn't know.
2. The MAN is more important than a date
3. But when the time had fully come, God sent His Son, born of a woman, born under the law, to redeem those under the law (Gal. 4)
That's what they and we desire to know...
Xaquin44
New Member
If they knew, they should have wrote it down, so kids can know the real day santa comes.
/wink
fredcaudle
New Member
If they were your kids, I doubt you would tell them it was true anyway...
Comparing Jesus to "santa"... interesting what you will choose to believe (or poke fun at)
Xaquin44
New Member
I pretty much was poking fun there.
that said, I think that of all of jesus' followers it is highly suspect that no one could put a birthday on him.
This_person
Well-Known Member
Not really. Is it to you?
This_person
Well-Known Member
They told of the circumstances surrounding it. What practical purpose is the actual date?
fredcaudle
New Member
Could it be then, based on your assessment they knew - that it was not important... or at least not as important as to His genealogy listed, the circumstances surrounding the birth listed, the how and why He was born?
Xaquin44
New Member
Not really personally, but all the same, I'd have asked and recorded it.
I mean, if I was faced with the son of I'd have asked, you know?
Xaquin44
New Member
because it would have been asked ....
We know many birthdates .... I assume you know your wifes and children if you have them right?
would you just tell them who cares .... I know you were born ....
migtig
aka Mrs. Giant
Yes. However depending on your pagan origins, it may be the return of newborn solstice sun, it may be the return of persophone (demeter's child) from hades), it may be the triumph of the holly king, etc and so forth. The decorated tree, the gift exchange, the yule log, hanging of mistletoe and holly, all these things and more pre-date Christianity and were incorporated into the early Catholic church as a way to influence others to turn away from their pagan ways and accept Christ (after all they have fun too).
As for the apples, nope, it connects to wassailing which is a pagan ritual.
"Apple tree, apple tree, we all come to wassail thee, Bear this year and next year to bloom and to blow, Hat fulls, cap fulls, three cornered sack fills, Hip, Hip, Hip, hurrah, Holler biys, holler hurrah."
So Christmas is almost 100% pagan in origins and rituals (even the Christmas ham). However, there's nothing wrong with adopting and changing customs and beliefs as they suit your religion, as long as you don't forget where they originate. Remember, the early Catholic church was all about converts and became extremely adapt at running mass marketing campaigns.
wxtornado
The Other White Meat
Is there any more evidence for one than the other? Just sayin...........
Xaquin44
New Member
and Rudolph begat ....
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wkndbeacher
Guest
Its more commercialized for the stores then anything unfortunately, and for most its about what you get instead of what can I give to help others that are less fortunate.
Absolutely, not that you accept it. The fact that the historical time line of of a large portion of the earth was defined by the birth and ascension of Jesus, i.e., B.C. and A.D. is but one.
This_person
Well-Known Member
Again, you're talking about the trappings of the party. Blue was selected for birthdays before my son was born - TRUE. However, I celebrate my son's birthday because of my son, the trappings just happen to be blue.
The decorated tree came before Christ - I imagine so. But, I don't celebrate Christmas because of the decorated tree, I celebrate for the birth of Christ. Christmas was not celebrated before the birth of Christ - but I agree there were parties.
See above
The Christmas party theme may be significantly influenced by pagan rituals. However, the reason for Christmas, the celebration, is 100% Christ.
Xaquin44
New Member
even though we don't know when he was born.
fredcaudle
New Member
do you really want us to entertain that nonsense???? Come on, atheists, theists, religionist.... non-religionists - - you can do better with the questions.
migtig
aka Mrs. Giant
Actually, I will repeat, celebrating Christ's birth is indeed a 100% Christian activity. However, the party is not. And as long as you are aware of that and have no problem with it, then that's all that matters. It's the people who think Christmas is ALL about Christ that have it wrong. There are many more religious and non-religious people out there who also celebrate this time of year, because it is tradition and ONLY because it's tradition. A tradition that pre-dates Christ, so I can see how that happens. That's all.
Actually, from all accounts Christ was born in either the early fall or early spring. I think if one wishes to celebrate the birth of Christ it should be done to honor Him, not rushing around decorating a tree, eating too much food, overspending to buy presents etc. Sounds more like the deadly sins that are preached against. I never heard of Christ saying eat too much, go into debt to buy presents, and drink too much at parties. In this aspect, I believe the Jehovah's Witnesses have the right approach. :shrug: But this is my personal belief.
But those that celebrate for reason other than the birth of the Christ child are not celebrating Christmas and not even a Holiday since Holiday is a contraction of Holy Day.
They may be participating in Saturnalia which was the Roman festival at this time of year or something else, but they are not celebrating Christmas or Christ's Mass.