aps45819
24/7 Single Dad
That's what I wear, too.I want to start a ladies club called "The visible vaginas"
I went to that club on Guam
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I went to that club on Guam
Larry Gude
Strung Out
Speak for yourself. I don't drive like a maniac. I lost 2 friends to motorcycle accidents before I even got out of high school. If a person chooses to put himself in harms way, then he must live with the consequences of that decision. I think it's stupid to expect everyone to jump on a motorcycle to get them to drive a regular vehicle more carefully.
I think it's stupid to think 'everyone' is a perfect, flawless and aware driver like you are.
I think it's stupid to think more training wouldn't benefit everyone, except the few perfect among us. Maybe we could get you and the three other perfect drivers a waiver?
There's a lot of things I think are stupid.
mAlice
professional daydreamer
I think it's stupid to think 'everyone' is a perfect, flawless and aware driver like you are.
I think it's stupid to think more training wouldn't benefit everyone, except the few perfect among us. Maybe we could get you and the three other perfect drivers a waiver?
There's a lot of things I think are stupid.
...like getting on a motorcycle knowing damn well it's more dangerous than getting in a car. It's a choice an individual makes. Should we all start shoving needles in our arms so we know how dangerous it is to be a junky?
Star_Rider
New Member
Nothing for me to get over. I understand and accept the increased risk of not encasing myself inside a steel cage willingly.
I have also been on the other side. I've been in a car, was in too much of a hurry and ended up pulling out in front of another car. Luckily I didn't cause an accident. But I understand that IF there had been an accident, it would've been 100% MY FAULT. I wouldn't be trying to say things like "the other car should've had their high beams on, then I would've seen them".
The problem isn't people pulling out in front of bikers, its people who are operating their vehicle but doing something other than driving at the same time. Bikers do tend to take it more personally because of the increase in consequence if something happens, but we are not the only ones who have people do stupid things in front of.
I just can’t stand it when someone implies that the biker shares in the fault because “they should’ve done something to be more visible.”
mAlice
professional daydreamer
Read the stats that I posted. I'm so sick of motorcycle riders blaming the other guy.
aps45819
24/7 Single Dad
:shrug: it usually is
Larry Gude
Strung Out
Oh for crying out loud! All I am arguing is that MOST car drivers would become MUCH better drivers if they HAD to operate a scooter or motorcycle. No one jumps on a bike so they can be mowed down like grass. A junky gets high to get high. It's the goal.
You're just being silly about this. I know damn well you are a good driver. Some say great. It's even been suggested, by another really good driver I know, that you are the best there was, best there is and best there ever will be.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
Almost every rider I saw out yesterday was wearing short sleeves. I was suprised at how many seemed to be taking off work just to ride around. Yes, I took the day off.
Sounds like you were working to me; research.
mAlice
professional daydreamer
I'm far from the best driver on the road, I'm sure. But to insinuate that most car drivers on the road are poor drivers is as bad as insinuating that everyone who drives a motorcycle is a better driver because of it.Oh for crying out loud! All I am arguing is that MOST car drivers would become MUCH better drivers if they HAD to operate a scooter or motorcycle. No one jumps on a bike so they can be mowed down like grass. A junky gets high to get high. It's the goal.
You're just being silly about this. I know damn well you are a good driver. Some say great. It's even been suggested, by another really good driver I know, that you are the best there was, best there is and best there ever will be.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
My handy dandy Maryland Motorcycle safety handbook thing, which, until yesterday I had neglected to actually read, says something like 50% of all motorcycle/car 'incursions' (love that word) are initiated by the car not seeing the bike.
It ALSO says there are NO accidents, that in pretty much every incident, the biker could have done something, slower, more aware, less heroin, etc, that probably would have helped prevent the involuntary separation of ass and seat.
aps45819
24/7 Single Dad
Sounds like you were working to me; research.
Buy that Buell and I'll show you where Jackson's left arm is buried
Larry Gude
Strung Out
Lugnut
I'm Rick James #####!
I read the stats you posted but didn't see anything related to the cause of the incident. Just injury statistics
Why the big chip on your shoulder with regard to motorcycle riders?
Vince
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The two that almost got me: one, girl on cell phone didn't bother looking to her left before pulling out in front of me. Two, guy on cell phone on 235 tried to force me off the road by pulling to his right with me in the right lane.
Star_Rider
New Member
I didn't blame the other guy, in this case “the other guy” was found at fault. How about actually reading and comprehending what is written BEFORE commenting.
As for your stats, figures lie and liars figure. Here is a different spin on the exact same stats you referenced.
2008 National Statistics
41% of the bikers killed in 2008 WERE wearing helmets.
Of the motorcycle operators killed in 2008, 70% had a BAC BELOW .08.
In 2008, automobile drivers accounted for 86% of total traffic fatalities, 83% of all occupant fatalities, and 96% of all occupants injured.
65% of all bikers involved in fatal crashes in 2008 were NOT speeding.
In 2008 47% of all motorcycles involved in fatal crashes collided with another type of moving vehicle.
In 2008, 75% of the motorcycles involved in fatal crashes collided with moveable objects, compared to 81% for cars, 86% for light trucks, and 96% for heavy trucks.
75% of motorcycle riders in fatal crashes in 2008 were riding their vehicles with a valid license.
65% of the bikers between 15 and 20 who were fatally injured in crashes in 2008 WERE wearing helmets.
Of the young motorcycle operators (ages 15-20) involved in fatal crashes in 2008, 57% had a valid license.
In 2008, 74% of the young male motorcycle operators involved in fatal crashes had NOT been drinking at the time of the crash, compared with 87% of the young female operators involved in fatal crashes.
This is the 11th consecutive year that there has been an increase in motorcycle operators which has led to an increase in motorcycle crash deaths.
Star_Rider
New Member
Motorcycle riders are human and are therefore not impervious to making mistakes. By their very nature motorcycles attract people who are more willing to take risks. When combined with an immature rider, this makes a dangerous combination. However, motorcyclists tend to also pay more attention to their surrounding both because they are more a part of it (since they are not encased in metal), and they have more to lose if someone makes a mistake.
The bottom line is that, people (on bikes and in cars) make mistakes and "accidents" happen. EVERYONE needs to pay attention to what they are doing. If you’re operating a vehicle of any kind, don't try to talk on the phone, read a paper, put on makeup, etc... pay attention and DRIVE!!!
The bottom line is that, people (on bikes and in cars) make mistakes and "accidents" happen. EVERYONE needs to pay attention to what they are doing. If you’re operating a vehicle of any kind, don't try to talk on the phone, read a paper, put on makeup, etc... pay attention and DRIVE!!!
mAlice
professional daydreamer
Well said.