Boy Scouts and Gay Rights Again.........

[Ken King]

I would say that Philidelphia is within its rights to change the arrangements with the BSA. The BSA is a Federally Chartered Organization, is a body corporate and politic of the District of Columbia and should be held to the same public accommodation standards as any other Federal entity as to membership of the scouts themselves. Now as to scoutmasters and assistant scoutmasters the orgaization should be able to appoint those that best meet their beliefs. The whole and entire purpose of the BSA is "to promote, through organization, and cooperation with other agencies, the ability of boys to do things for themselves and others, to train them in scoutcraft, and to teach them patriotism, courage, self-reliance, and kindred virtues".

 

[The Dude]

In some cases, YES. If I was gay and wanted out, God would probably help me come out. If I had a serious illness maybe He would cure me & maybe He wouldn't. I can't answer as to why God does it this way. Why He allows some things, and prevents others. (And He is under no obligation to tell me). I just know & trust that what He does is always right, even if I don't see the logic in it. I know some handicapped people who God hasn't cured because, in their present condition, they are an immense help to other handicapped folks. I wondered why God let me stay in my dangerous "life in the fast lane" for 17 years. (I was almost killed 4 times). I now realize that because of it, I am helping many many kids avoid what I went through. Father knows best and I am living proof.

You said before about people who came out of the gay lifestyle...couldn't it have been God who helped them out of it? I mean your saying that you don't know why God does what he does, which is true, no one does. So how in your example of being cured by God of homosexuality different from God helping some people being cured of a serious illness?

I'm just not seeing how he is helping people by curing them of an illness and helping them out of homosexuality.

 

[bcp]

blah blah blah blah blah.....


no, the fact of the matter is that homosexuality causes no injury, so when it is practiced between two consenting adults, its fine with me.


your other arguments about nature invole the killing or injury of another, so they would not be ok

and you have still shown nothing to indicate that it is a choice, just your opinion.

but, it does bring with it injury and increased chance of disease. Why should the rest of society have to deal with the possibility of the spread of STDs from homos?

Anal Cancer
Chlamydia trachomatis
Cryptosporidium
Giardia lamblia
Herpes simplex virus
Human immunodeficiency virus
Human papilloma virus
Isospora belli
Microsporidia
Gonorrhea
Viral hepatitis types B & C
Syphilis<sup>25

killing is not ok to you because you dont agree with it, however, it is a normal animal instinct. As much as we dislike and fear it, how can we be expected to suppress the natural urge? Its not like we have a choice, some people have a greater urge than others.

and, you have done nothting to help prove it is anything but a choice.
still waiting for that scientific proof that just must be floating around out there.


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[ItalianScallion]

You said before about people who came out of the gay lifestyle...couldn't it have been God who helped them out of it? I mean your saying that you don't know why God does what he does, which is true, no one does. So how in your example of being cured by God of homosexuality different from God helping some people being cured of a serious illness?

Yes it could have been God helping them out but maybe it wasn't. I say that because, if God did it, those people would normally follow Him but not all do. Some take the credit themselves or give it to someone other than God. As I read the Gospels where Jesus healed people, they almost always followed Him after that (except in one case Luke 17 v 17, 18).
The reason I separated homosexuality from other illnesses is because God destroyed the 2 cities and I don't recall Him ever destroying a sick person for an illness they might have inherited. I could be wrong on this last point though.

 

[ItalianScallion]

the fact of the matter is that homosexuality causes no injury, so when it is practiced between two consenting adults, its fine with me.

If two people stayed home and never came out of their room it MIGHT be ok but they don't! Look how much money, lawsuits, emotional damage, medical costs & crimes, diseases, etc., are caused by it. Even alcholics "leave their rooms" now & then to drive, beat their kids & spouses, etc. People DO get hurt from these things so please don't say that "homosexuality causes no injury".

 

[Plan B]

To me, the BSA is like MLB baseball, with it's anti-trust exemption.
Sometimes, a crappy way to do things is the lesser of evils.
Homos face a tough life. But it is to the same end as us; judgement. God wants us to pray for them.

 

[bcp]

Even alcholics "leave their rooms" now & then to drive, beat their kids & spouses, etc..

can we leave me out of this and just poke fun at the homosexuals Please?

 

[ItalianScallion]

can we leave me out of this and just poke fun at the homosexuals Please?

We let you out and look what you did to that nice lady at Red Lobster. The injury to her sinus cavity (and maybe her marriage) could be longterm.

 

[Bustem' Down]

If two people stayed home and never came out of their room it MIGHT be ok but they don't! Look how much money, lawsuits, emotional damage, medical costs & crimes, diseases, etc., are caused by it. Even alcholics "leave their rooms" now & then to drive, beat their kids & spouses, etc. People DO get hurt from these things so please don't say that "homosexuality causes no injury".

My Uncle was gay and I have gay friends and if the only damage I recieved is that I'm a more understanding person, then I'm ok with that.

 

[bcp]

We let you out and look what you did to that nice lady at Red Lobster. The injury to her sinus cavity (and maybe her marriage) could be longterm.

hey farting is natural, it is not a choice

 

[ItalianScallion]

My Uncle was gay and I have gay friends and if the only damage I recieved is that I'm a more understanding person, then I'm ok with that.

OK, so you're the standard that we all should base our beliefs on right? Come on pal, you're 1 isolated case.

 

[Bustem' Down]

OK, so you're the standard that we all should base our beliefs on right? Come on pal, you're 1 isolated case.

You're making up wild stories. Find me someone who was harmed because thier neighbor was gay.

 

[bcp]

You're making up wild stories. Find me someone who was harmed because thier neighbor was gay.

I think aids came in with the homos.
thus the acronym GAY.
Got
Aids
Yet?

 

[ItalianScallion]

You're making up wild stories. Find me someone who was harmed because thier neighbor was gay.

A priest practicing "love thy neighbor", scout leaders, school teachers. Come on. What world do you live in? It's in the news almost weekly.

 

[tommyjones]

but, it does bring with it injury and increased chance of disease. Why should the rest of society have to deal with the possibility of the spread of STDs from homos?

Anal Cancer
Chlamydia trachomatis
Cryptosporidium
Giardia lamblia
Herpes simplex virus
Human immunodeficiency virus
Human papilloma virus
Isospora belli
Microsporidia
Gonorrhea
Viral hepatitis types B & C
Syphilis<sup>25

killing is not ok to you because you dont agree with it, however, it is a normal animal instinct. As much as we dislike and fear it, how can we be expected to suppress the natural urge? Its not like we have a choice, some people have a greater urge than others.

and, you have done nothting to help prove it is anything but a choice.
still waiting for that scientific proof that just must be floating around out there.


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First of all, your bigoted list from the church is not at all scientific, but...

lets say we agree gayness causes all these things. Who are they spreading it to? other GAY PEOPLE. BTW, heterosexuals get all of those illnesses, i dont know where, other than your bigotry, you would get that they are at all unique to homosexuals.


And you have still shown absolutely no scientific proof that gayness is a choice. so we are even.

 

[Xaquin44]

Notice how Xaquin44 bailed out on us?.....

um I was afk ....

 

[Xaquin44]

Nice discussion folks but overall, let's see some facts about the harm produced by the gay lifestyle: Briefly (paraphrased):
They live a shorter life than heterosexuals do; They average @37 years for men and @43 for the women.
While condoms can prevent most pregnancies (if they don't break), they do not prevent STD's because some of the viruses are smaller than the pores in the latex and some DO get through. Most gay men DON'T use them, however.
The younger they start, the more emotional damage that's done.
The number 1 testimony of folks who came out of the gay lifestyle was this: if they just had more parental approval (hugs, positive affirmation, attention from both parents) they, more than likely, would not have gone into that lifestyle. Even kids who came out of gangs say the same thing!
(Medical facts compiled by a Focus on the Family research group).
As stated earlier, God doesn't hate gays, many gays hate God because He is against their lifestyle choice. Jesus always healed the sick and disabled. This is where the Bible teaches that it is NOT a birth defect or hereditary. If it was, God would have cured them. Why did He destroy people of Sodom & Gomorrah? He told them to come out of their sinful lifestyle CHOICE and they refused. The same fate awaits those who refuse God's offer of salvation through Jesus. Don't say He hasn't give us plenty of warnings.

wow .... lots of baseless claims with no proof (along with blatently false ones thrown in).

most gay men only live to 37 lol

ahahahhaa

 

[Xaquin44]

Why should the rest of society have to deal with the possibility of the spread of STDs from homos?

The rest of society doesn't have to deal with STDs from homos because straight people don't have sex with homosexuals.

wow.

that was easy.

 

[Xaquin44]

A priest practicing "love thy neighbor", scout leaders, school teachers. Come on. What world do you live in? It's in the news almost weekly.

what on earth are you blabbering about?

no one is hurt in any way by people being gay unless they do it to themselves by getting all hot and bothered for nothing.

Sure gay people can commit crimes .... same as straight people. Being gay in and of itself though is no more harmful then being straight.

 

[bcp]

The rest of society doesn't have to deal with STDs from homos because straight people don't have sex with homosexuals.

wow.

that was easy.

and you know as well as I do that there are those that have a problem making a choice and end up just doing anything that moves. they are the link between the healthy and the infected. I think they like to call themselves bi or something,, basically they just do anything that moves. very dangerous people.