Boy Scouts and Gay Rights Again.........

[toppick08]

so, me saying "when have I argued against someones rights?" (from post 427)

and "then why are they treated any different in public?

because they ONLY different things they do are in private." (from the entire post you quoted) makes me dishonest how?

SEMANTICS.....Your good at playing the game.

 

[Xaquin44]

SEMANTICS.....Your good at playing the game.

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so are you going to explain your accusation?

because those two true statements I made do not in any way make me dishonest.

 

[tommyjones]

so, he is not suggesting that I personally lead some vile lifestyle while being married to a whore.

only emphasising the persons who would be responsible in those cases.

as in
If YOUR WIFE was acting slutty and got an STD, it would be HER fault.

(this is the internet, i dont know you or your wife)

 

[bcp]

From the "Boy Scout Joining Requirements"

7: Understand and agree to live by the Scout Oath or Promise, Law, motto, and slogan, and the Outdoor Code.


Now explain to me why a homosexual can not meet those requirements.

Boy Scout Oath, Law, Motto, and Slogan

Scout Oath (or Promise)


<DL><DD>On my honor I will do my best <DD>To do my duty to God and my country <DD>and to obey the Scout Law; <DD>To help other people at all times; <DD>To keep myself physically strong, <DD>mentally awake, and morally straight.</DD></DL>

a private club that, by their own requirements, should allow homosexuals to join.

being homosexual is not considered morally straight by the boy scouts.

their requirments specifically state that homosexuals are not eligible to join.

Or are you saying that an organization must comply to your theory of what is considered moral?

 

[bcp]

you do realize that gay men aren't really intrested in straight men .... I mean, would you hit on a lesbian and expect to get anywhere?

fool.

edit: and you still didn't answer how anyone being gay has any bearing on anyone.

how would I know she was lesbian until I hit up on her and she told me?

 

[Geek]

Boy Scout Oath, Law, Motto, and Slogan

Scout Oath (or Promise)


<DL><DD>On my honor I will do my best <DD>To do my duty to God and my country <DD>and to obey the Scout Law; <DD>To help other people at all times; <DD>To keep myself physically strong, <DD>mentally awake, and morally straight.</DD></DL>
being homosexual is not considered morally straight by the boy scouts.

their requirments specifically state that homosexuals are not eligible to join.

Or are you saying that an organization must comply to your theory of what is considered moral?

That's is sick, why would they make children talk about sex?

 

[LordStanley]

That's a big stick you have there

My very special "Geek" stick enlarger has been working overtime as of lately

 

[bcp]

That's is sick, why would they make children talk about sex?

I dont understand where you are getting this from.
please explain, I would really hate for your twist to go un appreciated.

 

[Xaquin44]

Boy Scout Oath, Law, Motto, and Slogan

Scout Oath (or Promise)


<DL><DD>On my honor I will do my best <DD>To do my duty to God and my country <DD>and to obey the Scout Law; <DD>To help other people at all times; <DD>To keep myself physically strong, <DD>mentally awake, and morally straight.</DD></DL>
being homosexual is not considered morally straight by the boy scouts.

their requirments specifically state that homosexuals are not eligible to join.

Or are you saying that an organization must comply to your theory of what is considered moral?

very good. Your arguement is flawless .... oh except for one thing. Go to the BSA recruiting website and look at the defination of morally straight.

Better yet, I'll do it for you. Again.

"To be a person of strong character, your relationships with others should be honest and open. You should respect and defend the rights of all people."

ALL people.

not some people. not all people except homosexuals. ALL people.

bear in mind, that this is directly from the BSA defination of morally straight.

 

[Xaquin44]

how would I know she was lesbian until I hit up on her and she told me?

and why would it matter once you found out?

who cares?

she doesn't like guys .... heck, I know plenty of straight females that don't like most guys.

 

[bcp]

very good. Your arguement is flawless .... oh except for one thing. Go to the BSA recruiting website and look at the defination of morally straight.

Better yet, I'll do it for you. Again.

"To be a person of strong character, your relationships with others should be honest and open. You should respect and defend the rights of all people."

ALL people.

not some people. not all people except homosexuals. ALL people.

bear in mind, that this is directly from the BSA defination of morally straight.

Since 1991, openly gay adults have been officially prohibited from joining the Boy Scouts of America.<SUP class=reference id=_ref-9>[15]</SUP> A 1991 Position Statement states: “We believe that homosexual conduct is inconsistent with the requirement in the Scout Oath that a Scout be morally straight and in the Scout Law that a Scout be clean in word and deed, and that homosexuals do not provide a desirable role model for Scouts.”<SUP class=reference id=_ref-Cornell_0>[16]</SUP> The BSA thus "believes that a known or avowed homosexual is not an appropriate role model of the Scout Oath and Law."<SUP class=reference id=_ref-morally_0>[17]</SUP>
The language used to describe the BSA's policies on homosexuals has evolved over time. Prior to 2004, the policy stated:
<DL><DD>"We do not allow for the registration of avowed homosexuals as members or as leaders of the BSA."<SUP class=reference id=_ref-10>[18]</SUP> </DD></DL>In 2004, the BSA adopted a new policy statement:
<DL><DD>"Boy Scouts of America believes that homosexual conduct is inconsistent with the obligations in the Scout Oath and Scout Law to be morally straight and clean in thought, word, and deed. The conduct of youth members must be in compliance with the Scout Oath and Law, and membership in Boy Scouts of America is contingent upon the willingness to accept Scouting’s values and beliefs."<SUP class=reference id=_ref-morally_1>[17]</SUP> </DD></DL>

evidently, those that make the rules dont seem to agree with you.
of course, for you to figure that out you would have to actually READ what you were quoting from.

 

[bcp]

you do realize that gay men aren't really intrested in straight men .... I mean, would you hit on a lesbian and expect to get anywhere?

fool.

edit: and you still didn't answer how anyone being gay has any bearing on anyone.

and why would it matter once you found out?

who cares?

she doesn't like guys .... heck, I know plenty of straight females that don't like most guys.

you originally said that gay men are not interested in straight men.

then asked if I would hit on a lesbian.

(you following? Im typing slow)

so I said, I would not know she was a lesbian until I hit on her.

this implies that your theory that gay men would not ever hit on straight guys is wrong.

in order to find other gay guys, they would have to hit on straight ones.

and personally, I dont take much respect in a guy hitting on me.

So wheather or not it makes a difference of her orientation after I find out is not what was in question.
What was in question was your theory that the homo would not hit on the straight guy.

 

[Xaquin44]

evidently, those that make the rules dont seem to agree with you.
of course, for you to figure that out you would have to actually READ what you were quoting from.

I am aware of their blatent contradiction.

I'm just saying that they should support gay entry (oh hahahaha) because the words of their own oath say that all people should be respected etc. etc.

 

[Xaquin44]

you originally said that gay men are not interested in straight men.

then asked if I would hit on a lesbian.

(you following? Im typing slow)

so I said, I would not know she was a lesbian until I hit on her.

this implies that your theory that gay men would not ever hit on straight guys is wrong.

in order to find other gay guys, they would have to hit on straight ones.

and personally, I dont take much respect in a guy hitting on me.

So wheather or not it makes a difference of her orientation after I find out is not what was in question.
What was in question was your theory that the homo would not hit on the straight guy.

ok .... so what. A gay guy hits on you, realizes you're not gay and it's done.

What's the problem here? If a girl you don't want to date hits on you you say no thanks and that's it. Big deal.

 

[bcp]

I am aware of their blatent contradiction.

I'm just saying that they should support gay entry (oh hahahaha) because the words of their own oath say that all people should be respected etc. etc.

respected yes. allowed to join? no.

so, they should respect the homosexual, as in, not run around beating them up just because.

but on the other hand the dont have any requirement to let them join.

how come the boy scouts are the only ones that should have to show respect here?
do the homosexuals have any responsibility to show respect to those that may not agree with their lifestyle choice?

 

[bcp]

ok .... so what. A gay guy hits on you, realizes you're not gay and it's done.

What's the problem here? If a girl you don't want to date hits on you you say no thanks and that's it. Big deal.

but wait, you specifically called me a fool for thinking a gay guy would hit on a straight guy.
now you say that maybe, just maybe that could happen?

and, I do hope that the gay guy that hits on me is not offended by the response he gets from me. Because, it is my right at that point to explain in no lack of detail what I think of him and his lifestyle choice.

 

[Xaquin44]

respected yes. allowed to join?

does that sound like respect to you?

yes I respect you you're just fine and dandy .... now piss off.

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[bcp]

does that sound like respect to you?

yes I respect you you're just fine and dandy .... now piss off.

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I think you realize that you are wrong here.
you just feel embarrassed to admit it.

they dont let 90 year old men join either, is that disrespectfull?

 

[Xaquin44]

but wait, you specifically called me a fool for thinking a gay guy would hit on a straight guy.
now you say that maybe, just maybe that could happen?

and, I do hope that the gay guy that hits on me is not offended by the response he gets from me. Because, it is my right at that point to explain in no lack of detail what I think of him and his lifestyle choice.

no, I called you a fool for thinking that only gay people gave STDs.

 

[Xaquin44]

I think you realize that you are wrong here.
you just feel embarrassed to admit it.

they dont let 90 year old men join either, is that disrespectfull?

I'm not wrong.

By the way, nice try with 90 year old men lol

I'd fully support old gay men getting into the Old Man Scouts (OMSA) if their requirements allowed for that.