Bush "Envious" Of Soldiers Serving in Afghanistan

[vraiblonde]

When America has a draft and ALL her sons and daughters get an opportunity to participate, maybe it would be America's war.

PS, ALL do have an opportunity to participate.

 

[Kyle]

He doesn't really want to see a draft...

PS, ALL do have an opportunity to participate.

Just likes to throw it in the pot for argumentive reasons.... You can bet if Forest got drafted they'd have to drag him away by his high-heels.

 

[forestal]

that was sarcasm lady. sorry you missed it.....most Americans choose not to participate, or even pay for this war. A draft would force them to either support it or work against it.

PS, ALL do have an opportunity to participate.

 

[forestal]

Just because we have inevitable car accidents, doesn't mean we should sacrifice our lives for wars of choice.

so you equate an accidental death to be equal to dying in a useless conflict, say like Iraq?

Doesn't that cheapen the deaths of our soldiers?

Thanks for your concern, but more Americans are killed in car accidents every year than are killed in combat. Is it stupid to let him drive, considering that's a hell of a lot more dangerous?

 

[Bann]

Doesn't it bother you that Afghanistan is actually worse off than Iraq, and is bordering on being a failed state due to your President's policies?

I commend your son's service to his country, and I chastise you for not watching out for him by backing an idiot in the White House who's stupidity may get your son killed some day.

How dare you! Its pathetic the way you commend her son, but impugn his mother in the same breath. I could say a few words about your mother, but I'll refrain. You don't really commend his service to our country, or you wouldn't insult his mother by saying she isn't watching out for him. And last time I checked, once kids reach the age of 18, they're legally able to make their own decisions. That means he CHOSE to do this. I thought Democrats were all for choice?

Since there's no greater love than that of laying down your life for another, she obviously did something right. God Bless the moms & dads of ALL our country's military men & women.

 

[Kyle]

... That means he CHOSE to do this. I thought Democrats were all for choice?

"THEIR" choices... Not others.

 

[Bann]

When America has a draft and ALL her sons and daughters get an opportunity to participate, maybe it would be America's war.

That being said, we don't even rise to the level of paying for this war with our own money. We can't be bothered to pay the higher taxes it costs and will cost to support injured vets and their families.

After All, George Bush wants to make his tax cuts for Paris Hilton permanent.

What kind of crack are you smoking???!


This is just idiocy.

 

[Bann]

PS, ALL do have an opportunity to participate.

Just likes to throw it in the pot for argumentive reasons.... You can bet if Forest got drafted they'd have to drag him away by his high-heels.

that was sarcasm lady. sorry you missed it.....most Americans choose not to participate, or even pay for this war. A draft would force them to either support it or work against it.

Well, now that Hillary has the nomination almost stol...er wrapped up - you might be closer to getting your wish about that draft.

If Hillary wins the presidency, I predict the re-enlistment numbers will plummet like an avalance when military members start leaving in DROVES under her command. Who's going to want to serve under that shrew?

 

[vraiblonde]

Just because we have inevitable car accidents, doesn't mean we should sacrifice our lives for wars of choice.

so you equate an accidental death to be equal to dying in a useless conflict, say like Iraq?

Doesn't that cheapen the deaths of our soldiers?

Driving is by choice. And you could certainly say that combat deaths are accidental because more military personnel will come home without so much as a scratch than will die.

And I think a car wreck death is most definitely more useless than dying to save a country from tyranny.

And PS, military enlistment is completely voluntary, so anyone who is there CHOSE to be there. My son CHOSE to enlist right before 9-11, but my DIL CHOSE to enlist afterward because she wanted to help fight terrorism. Son is over there now as a civilian contractor and he could quit his job any time he wants and come back home.

Just because you, Forestal, feel a certain way doesn't mean everyone does.

 

[toppick08]

..and I see what you mean about getting your hands icky.

 

[czygvtwkr]

Just because we have inevitable car accidents, doesn't mean we should sacrifice our lives for wars of choice.

Then how's this, more Americans are murdered in the state of Maryland every year than die in combat.

 

[forestal]

How many marylanders were blown up by road side bombs?

Then how's this, more Americans are murdered in the state of Maryland every year than die in combat.

 

[forestal]

I should also mention that you don't need to give these yahoos any more details of your personal life than necessary.

I have received death threats on this board (vraiblonde quickly put a stop to it), so you should know what kind of people you are dealing with: disagree with them one of them will try and kill you some day.

Don't waste your time citing any military experience with these fools. They won't believe a word you say. They only think that backing American troops means unquestioning support of the president and yelling 'HOO RAH' for whatever conflict he commits them to.

 

[Baja28]

How many marylanders were blown up by road side bombs?

None. And you can thank the men and women serving over there for keeping it over there so your stupid ass can sit back in luxury here.

 

[MMDad]

How many marylanders were blown up by road side bombs?

Is being murdered by a drugged out junkie so he can buy more crack somehow "better" to you? Dead is dead.

 

[MMDad]

.....most Americans choose not to participate, or even pay for this war. A draft would force them to either support it or work against it.

Who are those who don't pay for the war? Oh, that's right, they're the entitlement society that people like you love to embrace so much.

It is nice that you admitted that the destitute people who don't pay taxes choose to put themselves in that position. You're losing your left wing bias as you grow up. Maybe you'll eventually be able to form a coherent argument.

The people you hate on so much are the ones who pay for the war, go to war, and send their children to war. They are also the reason that you can spout your idiotic vitriol without fear of reprisal.

 

[forestal]

Really? maybbe you missed the recent Pentagon report about there being no link between Saddam and Al Qaeda.

As I see it, dying for president Bush's mistake in Iraq is a waste.

None. And you can thank the men and women serving over there for keeping it over there so your stupid ass can sit back in luxury here.

 

[aps45819]

Really? maybbe you missed the recent Pentagon report about there being no link between Saddam and Al Qaeda.

As I see it, dying for president Bush's mistake in Iraq is a waste.

Is that the report that says while Saddam didn't support Al Queda, he did allow them to us a training base about 20 miles from Bagdad?


FYI - dying for your country is always a mistake. The concept is to allow the other guy to die for his.

 

[RadioPatrol]

Really? maybe you missed the recent Pentagon report about there being no link between Saddam and Al Qaeda.

What exactly were you Expecting

.... Please Explain what would constitute a "LINK" between Sadam and Al Q ....


While this does not describe any links, chew on this and get back to me ....

The Punning Pundit
A proud member of the reality based community


Christopher Hitchens has a wonderful article today in Slate. Hitchens may well be the intellectual descendant of George Orwell, and the more I read about him, the bigger the fan I become.

His basic argument is that a war with Iraq is essential to our war against al Quaida. He says this not by inventing any imaginary link between Saddam and bin Laden, but by saying that the only way we win the war against jihad (to use Benjamin Barber's phrase) is to ensure that democracy thrives.

(excerpt from Hitchens)

"Iraq is, for fairly obvious reasons, the keystone state here, and it is already at critical mass. Thus it seems to me idle to argue that a proactive policy is necessarily doomed to make more enemies. I have always disliked this argument viscerally, since it suggests that I should meekly avoid the further disapproval of those who hate me quite enough to begin with. Given some intelligence and foresight, however, I believe that an armed assistance to the imminent Iraqi and Kurdish revolutions can not only make some durable friends, it can also give the theocrats and their despotic patrons something to really hate us for."​

If there is a coming revolution in Iraq, I do want the US to be part of it. If our choices are to either sit idly by and watch events unfold around us or to go in and do something, I know which I prefer. It is better to act than to be acted upon...

Another good argument is one Jean Luc Picard made in the first episode of Star Trek the Next Generation: "if we are going to be damned, let's be damned for who we really are". Exactly. "They" hate us because of what they think we are. Well they don't know who we are, any more than we know who we are. But if we go over there with the US army, the peace corps, several teams of civil engineers, and a Community College forensics team (I know one that would be interested), yeah, that would show them our strengths and our weaknesses. It would show them who we are, and if they still want to damn them, well to hell with them...

Of course, I still don't trust the Bush team to do the right thing. But if it is gonna happen...

Machiavelli in Mesopotamia

The case against the case against "regime change" in Iraq.
By Christopher Hitchens
Posted Thursday, Nov. 7, 2002, at 3:05 PM ET

If an intervention helps rescue Iraq from mere anarchy and revenge, some of the potential virtues are measurable in advance. The recuperation of the Iraqi oil industry represents the end of the Saudi monopoly, and we know that there are many Wolfowitzians who yearn for this but cannot prudently say so in public. The mullahs in Iran hate America more than they hate Saddam, while Iranian public opinion—notice how seldom "the Iranian street" is mentioned by peaceniks—takes a much more pro-American view. It's hard to picture the disappearance of the Saddam regime as anything but an encouragement to civil and democratic forces in Tehran, as well as in Bahrain, Qatar, and other gulf states that are experimenting with democracy and women's rights. Turkey will be wary about any increase in Kurdish autonomy (another good cause by the way), but even the Islamists in Turkey are determined to have a closer association with the European Union, and the EU has made it clear that Turkey's own Kurds must be granted more recognition before this can occur. One might hope that no American liberal would want to demand any less.

From conversations I have had on this subject in Washington, I would say that the most fascinating and suggestive conclusion is this: After Sept. 11, several conservative policy-makers decided in effect that there were "root causes" behind the murder-attacks. These "root causes" lay in the political slum that the United States has been running in the region, and in the rotten nexus of client-states from Riyadh to Islamabad. Such causes cannot be publicly admitted, nor can they be addressed all at once. But a slum-clearance program is beginning to form in the political mind.

 

[Bann]

Really? maybbe you missed the recent Pentagon report about there being no link between Saddam and Al Qaeda.

As I see it, dying for president Bush's mistake in Iraq is a waste.

Read/research much?

Salman Pak