Catholicism and Abortion.

[2ndAmendment]

People that believe the Bible, including Christians, do not believe in abortion as a general rule, because abortion goes against Biblical principles. They do not want abortions performed in dirty basements. They do not want abortions performed at all.

If the life of an unborn baby is not protected, then why should the life of any human being be protected? Why should the life of the mother (loosely used since how can you be a mother if you kill your children and have none) have any more value than the human being killed even if that human has not come out of the womb yet.

Taken to extreme, I should be able to declare that you cause my blood pressure to rise because you don't agree with me and I should be able to legally kill you to preserve my health.

It is true that making abortion illegal will not stop them. Humans sin. Murdering an unborn baby is just another sin. Christians are sinners forgiven through grace, but Christians should not endorse sin of any kind.

 

[nomoney]

abortions are bad news. I myself don't believe in them. But what is wrong with letting a woman do what a woman wants to do with her own body? If someone wants to be the type of person that would do such a thing, then let them be that person. :shrug: I'm pretty sure heaven is getting over crowded anyhow.

 

[MMDad]

I said that most christians I've heard from prefer abortion be made illegal. in this case, I think "I've heard" should suffice as it is actually common knowledge. that is, most of us in the real world would tend to think it's obvious. but if there's anyone else on earth besides you that doesn't know that the overwhelming majority of christians want to criminalize abortions, then please let them speak up here so that we can look at them as we're looking at you know and say "what ####ing rock have you been hiding under the last 50 years that you don't know that christians want to make abortions illegal?"

Very appropriate for the religion forum. "Common knowledge" is a stupid assumption. Put down your bong and open a book.

 

[SAHRAB]

abortions are bad news. I myself don't believe in them. But what is wrong with letting a woman do what a woman wants to do with her own body? If someone wants to be the type of person that would do such a thing, then let them be that person. :shrug: I'm pretty sure heaven is getting over crowded anyhow.

First being an aethiest, i do not come at this from a religous aspect (not that 2A's arguments, are not Valid).

But lets not be disingenuous, the argument isnt because she is doing it to her own body, its that she is doing it to an unborn babys body.

There's a huge uproar in England right now, due to Aborted Fetuses surviving after being removed from the womb, and the Clinics were then Killing the Babys.
Why have the "Pro-Choice" groups protested, and threatened to boycot, a British documentary about abortions called "My Foetus"? (if you get BBC on cable or Sattelite it airs every now and then). a documentary that wont air here unfortunately.

want to eat lunch today?

here are some (probably) not safe for work sites, with pictures of post abortion fetuses. puts a whole new meaning to "just a lump of flesh". But they show the consequence of a legal surgical procedure, many will find them offensive.

Ask yourself why the "Pro-Choice" crowd gets so upset with these Pictures and Videos being shown. if their argument was that strong and valid, they should have no problem with it.

Once again, anyone that is for Abortion (ie "Pro-Choice) should really invest some time into looking into what they support.

These are all Linky's

Abortion Pictures, and Pictures of Fetuses in the Womb at different Weeks
More Disturbing Pictures
Disturbing Videos on Abortions (Click Videos 6 7 and 8)
More Disturbing Pictures and Video's

 

[MMDad]

Catholicism and Abortion. 02-02-2006 10:52 AM f your scripture, it doesn't mean anything if you support an argument with quotes from a book of fiction!!!

This is interesting to me. Why would someone come onto a religion forum and not expect to discuss religion? Why would they get offended enough to say "f your scripture" and call it a book of fiction? If you don't want to discuss abortion from a religious point of view, why do you come to the religion forum?

 

[camily]

Catholicism and Abortion. 02-02-2006 10:52 AM f your scripture, it doesn't mean anything if you support an argument with quotes from a book of fiction!!!

This is interesting to me. Why would someone come onto a religion forum and not expect to discuss religion? Why would they get offended enough to say "f your scripture" and call it a book of fiction? If you don't want to discuss abortion from a religious point of view, why do you come to the religion forum?

I must say, I agree with MM on this one. This is the religion forum. Slotted? Are you back? Then again, I don't think he was even that insensitive.

 

[JPC, Sr.]

The Truth Shall Set Us All Free.

I must say, I agree with MM on this one. This is the religion forum. Slotted? Are you back? Then again, I don't think he was even that insensitive.

Well I do not agree with either of these intolerant posters.

I say to feel free to write any way you want on here as the subject of abortion is not simply a religion topic and their religion does not give real answers.

 

[JPC, Sr.]

The Truth Shall Set Us All Free.

Catholicism and Abortion. 02-02-2006 10:52 AM f your scripture, it doesn't mean anything if you support an argument with quotes from a book of fiction!!!

This is interesting to me. Why would someone come onto a religion forum and not expect to discuss religion? Why would they get offended enough to say "f your scripture" and call it a book of fiction? If you don't want to discuss abortion from a religious point of view, why do you come to the religion forum?

They are all welcome here on this thread.

Plus, calling it a book of fiction is a religious discussion.

Do not let the religiously intolerant ones on here run people off.

Everyone is welcome.

 

[camily]

They are all welcome here on this thread.

Plus, calling it a book of fiction is a religious discussion.

Do not let the religiously intolerant ones on here run people off.

Everyone is welcome.

Gee, thanks for giving us your permission to post.
I do not agree with MMDad on everything ( ) nor does he agree with everything I say. We are just mature enough to have an adult conversation and agree to disagree on a few things. They we go and 'til we drop.

 

[JPC, Sr.]

The Truth Shall Set Us All Free.

Making abortion illegal might make the rate go down, but it won't stop it. Drugs are illegal, but does that stop anybody? These desperate women will find a way to have it done, or there will just be more babies left to die in dumpsters. I say keep it legal.

It is true that making it illegal will never stop abortions. The thing needed is to put some limits and restrictions on the procedure.

Many would-be parents are pressured by their mate and or their parents and social pressure to have an abortion that they really do not want to get.

In the Bible the parents use to throw their babies into the fire as a sacrifice so their version of God would bless the village. They had a vision of the sacrifice of Christ but they used their children instead. Today we have our modern voodoo Doctors that want embryotic cell testing to make the old folks live longer. It is the same principle of throwing the baby in a fire because the old will die anyway no matter how many babies they sacrifice.

I think what we need to do is to make the baby valuable again. Quit punishing parents for having babies. God said to be fruitful and to multiply. We need to teach the parents to love their child as being a blessing from God and that children are not a burden.

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[Midnightrider]

We need to teach the parents to love their child as being a blessing from God and that children are not a burden.

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yours were a burden on the state!

 

[camily]

yours were a burden on the state!

Hey ther midnight, how ya' been?

 

[mv_princess]

yours were a burden on the state!

Yeah but he doesn't understand that...


HEY JPC does your kid support his child? Or is he a deadbeat like you?

 

[Midnightrider]

Hey ther midnight, how ya' been?

I've been real good , you?

I'll tell you one thing that has always gotten me, its the anti abortion crowd's intollerance to the point of violence for the other side. I bought a car a few years back that had a prochoice sticker and an anti gun sticker on it. I left them for a couple of months while i waited to find ones to cover them up. Well more than once i came out to my car to find it vandalized by antiabortionists. Nothing too serious, but the fact that they had taken the time and been so outrage by a sticker was shocking to me. Never did a progun nut deface my cat cuz there was a no handgun sticker on it......

And don't get me started on the hipocrosy of those idiots that bomb the abortion clinics

 

[2ndAmendment]

abortions are bad news. I myself don't believe in them. But what is wrong with letting a woman do what a woman wants to do with her own body? If someone wants to be the type of person that would do such a thing, then let them be that person. :shrug: I'm pretty sure heaven is getting over crowded anyhow.

"Few who find it" ring a bell? No overcrowding in heaven. Too many people rushing down the broad way.

Matthew 7:13-14

13"Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it.

14"For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.

 

[2ndAmendment]

In the Bible the parents use to throw their babies into the fire as a sacrifice so their version of God would bless the village.

Show us where with chapter and verse in context. I know of absolutely nowhere in the Bible where God, Y'howah, YHWH of the Israelites asks for or was given human sacrafice except the account of the testing of Abraham and then Abraham was stopped by an angel of God and God provided a ram for the sacrafice. You are full of religious falsehoods.

John 8:44"You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

 

[Toxick]

if someone was going to have an abortion, do you think god would rather it be done in a hospital or clinic or someone's basement or in an alley?

Are those the only two options?

 

[Toxick]

It is true that making it illegal will never stop abortions.

This is a very true statement, with historical precidence to back it up:

Viz a viz: The outlawing of murder, rape, robbery, drunken driving, has most undoubtedly not put a stop to murder, rape, robbery and drunken driving.

The thing needed is to put some limits and restrictions on the procedure.

Hey - how about we legalize murder, rape, robbery and drunken driving, BUT we build clinics where these activities can be done properly and safely!

In the Bible the parents use to throw their babies into the fire as a sacrifice so their version of God would bless the village.

You will, no doubt, post a relevant quote from the bible?

Because, as far as I can remember there is only one actual human sacrifice mentioned the bible, and one near miss.

I'm referring to Jesus the Christ and Isaac ben Abraham respectively.

I think what we need to do is to make the baby valuable again.

And their wholesale slaughter accomplishes this, how exactly?

Quit punishing parents for having babies.

Ah - so we've come full circle.

Get rid of oppresive child support laws, and babies will once again become valuable.


Gotcha.

 

[JPC, Sr.]

The Truth Will Set Us All Free.

Show us where with chapter and verse in context. I know of absolutely nowhere in the Bible where God, Y'howah, YHWH of the Israelites asks for or was given human sacrafice except the account of the testing of Abraham and then Abraham was stopped by an angel of God and God provided a ram for the sacrafice. You are full of religious falsehoods.

I will look it up for you but I can not right this minute.

I never said that Yahweh or God asked for human sacrifice. It was the other religions that threw the children into the fire. And God told the Israelites to not do it.

Here is a Link for quick search of any Bible text from any Bible version.

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[camily]

I will look it up for you but I can not right this minute.

I never said that Yahweh or God asked for human sacrifice. It was the other religions that threw the children into the fire. And God told the Israelites to not do it.

Here is a Link for quick search of any Bible text from any Bible version.

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He gave 2A a link to Bible references!!!
Ohh, I'm crying.