Cheney hunting trip under fire for Confederate flag

[Rienell]

"you are the real racist here. Sharptin is a great man who does a lot of good for the black people. You need to stop with all of your hate mongoring'

Remember.. when you point at me, you have three fingers pointing right back at you.

Sharptin is a great man who does a lot of good for the black people." Why doesn't Sharptin do good for everyone?

"You need to stop with all of your hate mongoring'"
Clearly, this person's definition of hate mongoring is someone who doesn't kiss their @ss.

 

[bcp]

Why does Al think he can tell Vice President Cheney to leave immediately? Can't some one just tell him to STFU! Why can't we demand that Al leave this country immediately. He's more of a disgrase to our county than the confederate flag.

the way I see it, if not for people acting like he does, there never would have been a need to hang them in the first place.

I wonder if all hanging victims have the last name of sharpton

 

[beerlover]

The civil war was far from being "northern aggression" because the south fired the first shots at fort Sumter link HERE and we can find the political reasons for the USA civil war in the words of the rebel leaders.

The American traitor Jefferson Davis spoke his reasons for the civil war as particularly State rights to enforce slavery,

So calling the USA civil war as northern aggression is not true at all.

The Confederates fired on the Union troops occupying Fort Sumter only after the Confederate States had legally seceded from the Union (Just as ALL the states legally seceded from the original Articles of Confederation). From that point, the Union troops were trespassing on South Carolina's property. Instead of leaving when asked, they dug in and tried to reinforce. Thus the South Carolina militia was forced to fire on them to regain their property.

You may not view that as legal from today's perspective, but they were wholly within their rights under the Constitution to secede and to take back their land.

And the Confederate Constitution specifically outlawed the slave trade.

So the South DID indeed fire the first shots of the war, but then the Union took the war out on the civilian population of the Southern states, then followed it all up with a campaign of lies trying to wipe out the Southern culture entirely and to rewrite history to justify it. Thus, the War of Northern Aggression.

 

[Larry Gude]

Ok...

The Confederates fired on the Union troops occupying Fort Sumter only after the Confederate States had legally seceded from the Union (Just as ALL the states legally seceded from the original Articles of Confederation). From that point, the Union troops were trespassing on South Carolina's property. Instead of leaving when asked, they dug in and tried to reinforce. Thus the South Carolina militia was forced to fire on them to regain their property.

You may not view that as legal from today's perspective, but they were wholly within their rights under the Constitution to secede and to take back their land.

And the Confederate Constitution specifically outlawed the slave trade.

So the South DID indeed fire the first shots of the war, but then the Union took the war out on the civilian population of the Southern states, then followed it all up with a campaign of lies trying to wipe out the Southern culture entirely and to rewrite history to justify it. Thus, the War of Northern Aggression.

...you asked for it.

Sumter was FEDERAL property as was the arsenal in North Carolina that was ransacked some weeks before and every other FEDERAL arsenal in the South.
Not to mention firing on a union re supply ship that tried to enter the harbor some weeks earlier. Never mind that had Beauregard waited one more week Anderson would have had to evacuate anyway for lack of food.

Davis and Lincoln played chicken not wanting to be the first to commit the BIG act of aggression. South Carolina forced Davis's hand. Firing on Sumter was an act of state sanctioned violence on federal property which is rebellion and, if succession was legal and South Carolina acted as part of a nation, then it was also an act of war.

You are also ignoring the years and years of aggressive talk in favor of war from numerous prominent Southern leaders. They asked for it. They got it. All in the name of keeping other men in chains.

If the South wanted to go in peace it could have. Firing on the Star of the North, looting federal arsenals and attacking Sumter are not acts of peace.

 

[Larry Gude]

That's not...

And the Confederate Constitution specifically outlawed the slave trade.

...true.

The South outlawed importation of new slaves. Domestic slave trading was alive and well in 1860.

 

[Larry Gude]

Why did...

..the point. Al Sharpton is a product and, as such, promotion, advertising, perception, is the reality. The more he is on a talk show the more other talk shows want to get him on. Same for TV and print. More is more and more = $

His viewpoints making any kind of sense or validity are NOT the product; his presence is.

Does that make any sense?

...I get red for this post???

There are to many racist people in Southern Maryland. I need to move back to the motherland.

I compliment a brother for his skills as a successful American and I get red?

 

[aps45819]

It's part of the liberal media agenda, po black folks are victims of whitey. That's why Al and Jessie get press and Bill Cosby doesn't

Cheney hunting trip... 10-31-2007 10:08 AM no its because the media is a bunch of racists who need to be put in check

I thought the "media" was mostly politically correct liberals

 

[JPC sr]

Mr. Ferrari

So the South DID indeed fire the first shots of the war, but then the Union took the war out on the civilian population of the Southern states, then followed it all up with a campaign of lies trying to wipe out the Southern culture entirely and to rewrite history to justify it. Thus, the War of Northern Aggression.

The north was poorly prepared for any war and it was the south under General Lee that made the first raids of aggression into the north.

Like Gettysburg Pennsylvania link HERE is far above the Mason Dixon line link HERE where the Yankees met the rebels on northern territory.

The US civil war was not an act of aggression by the north, but it ended that way, and rightly so.

 

[Dork]

The north was poorly prepared for any war and it was the south under General Lee that made the first raids of aggression into the north.

Like Gettysburg Pennsylvania link HERE is far above the Mason Dixon line link HERE where the Yankees met the rebels on northern territory.

The US civil war was not an act of aggression by the north, but it ended that way, and rightly so.

Why aren't you passing out candy. It's HalloweeN! Did the police make you turn out your porch light and close your blinds?

 

[Dork]

Cheney hunting trip... 10-31-2007 10:08 AM no its because the media is a bunch of racists who need to be put in check

I thought the "media" was mostly politically correct liberals

This karma bomber is either a totally brainwashed ignorant loser or just a forum junkie who is trying to get a rise out of everyone. What's your guess?

 

[Larry Gude]

That's...

The north was poorly prepared for any war and it was the south under General Lee that made the first raids of aggression into the north.

...non sense. The first major military action took place on border state soil in Missouri in the West in August '61 and a month earlier in Virginia in the East. All major military action occurred on Southern or border state soil with the exception of Gettysburg.

I think it rather disengenous to even try to argue otherwise in terms of where the war was mainly fought.

 

[JPC sr]

Mr. Ferrari

...non sense. The first major military action took place on border state soil in Missouri in the West in August '61 and a month earlier in Virginia in the East. All major military action occurred on Southern or border state soil with the exception of Gettysburg.

I think it rather disengenous to even try to argue otherwise in terms of where the war was mainly fought.

Yes, I was incorrect and in fact wrong about that.

Thank you for pointing out my error.

The civil war was never very interesting to me but I have studied Abe Lincoln whom I consider as brillient, and I tried to read Grant's memoirs and it was all about war and I hated that book, so for the war itself I know little.

Therefore I will concede to "beerlover" that the north did act aggressively but the south started the dirty war.

 

[Novus Collectus]

The north was poorly prepared for any war and it was the south under General Lee that made the first raids of aggression into the north.

Like Gettysburg Pennsylvania link HERE is far above the Mason Dixon line link HERE where the Yankees met the rebels on northern territory.

The US civil war was not an act of aggression by the north, but it ended that way, and rightly so.

While I agree with most of what you said up until this point about what happened leading up to the Civil War, you are wrong in the timeline following that. The occupation by the South of parts of Union Missouri and battles in Kentucky against Southern occupation was way before Antietam and Gettysburg.

 

[Novus Collectus]

...non sense. The first major military action took place on border state soil in Missouri in the West in August '61 and a month earlier in Virginia in the East. All major military action occurred on Southern or border state soil with the exception of Gettysburg.

I think it rather disengenous to even try to argue otherwise in terms of where the war was mainly fought.

Damn, I was late in responding.
But you are wrong about one thing, A lot of major military action occured on the water or at sea too.

 

[Novus Collectus]

Yes, I was incorrect and in fact wrong about that.

Thank you for pointing out my error.

The civil war was never very interesting to me but I have studied Abe Lincoln whom I consider as brillient, and I tried to read Grant's memoirs and it was all about war and I hated that book, so for the war itself I know little.

Therefore I will concede to "beerlover" that the north did act aggressively but the south started the dirty war.

The initial Southern secession states acted aggressively towards the North. The North was the first to enter the declared rebel territory under arms, but the rebels were the first to commit aggression prior to that.

 

[Bubbaj47]

The civil war was never very interesting to me but I have studied Abe Lincoln whom I consider as brillient, and I tried to read Grant's memoirs and it was all about war and I hated that book, so for the war itself I know little.

Do you remember reading this by Lincoln?

Abraham Lincoln, as cited in "The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln," Roy Basler, ed. 1953 New Brunswick, N.J.: Rutgers University Press:

"I will say, then, that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races -- that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races from living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."


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An address by Abraham Lincoln at Springfield, Illinois, on June 26, 1857 [Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln, Vol II, pp 408-9, Basler, ed.]:

"A separation of the races is the only perfect preventive of amalgamation, but as immediate separation is impossible the next best thing is to keep them apart where they are not already together. Such separation, if ever affected at all, must be effected by colonization The enterprise is a difficult one, but 'where there is a will there is a way:' and what colonization needs now is a hearty will. Will springs from the two elements of moral and self-interest. Let us be brought to believe it is morally right, and at the same time, favorable to, or at least not against our interest, to transfer the African to his native clime, and we shall find a way to do it, however great the task may be."

 

[Larry Gude]

How...

But you are wrong about one thing, A lot of major military action occured on the water or at sea too.

..so? I don't recall saying nothing happened on the water?

 

[Novus Collectus]

..so? I don't recall saying nothing happened on the water?

"Wrong" was the wrong word. I should have said "you didn't mention" or something.

 

[Larry Gude]

Ok...

"Wrong" was the wrong word. I should have said "you didn't mention" or something.

...so what is the context that battles on the water apply to this thread? Seizing the federal ship yards and boats at Norfolk?

 

[chernmax]

Cheney didn't hang it, who give a f%ck!!!