Child's Dying Wish...
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MMDad
Lem Putt
My one of those nosy neighbors? What does that mean?
This is a national news story, you drunken coward freak. We're discussing the story, which is my business. As a law abiding citizen of this country, the crimes others commit is absolutely my business.
It's no different than being interested in your story. As long as you are a fugitive from justice, as long as there is a felony warrant for your arrest, you have not paid your debt to society including to me. As a taxpayer, I have a vested interested in seeing criminals pay for their crime. That's you.
As a member, your theft from CPFCU is a theft from me. You stole from me. You endangered innocent people with your drunk driving. You ran away like a coward instead of facing the consequences of your actions.
You are a worhtless piece of crap that dreams of one day rising to the level of pond scum.
PulseStart
Go Bills!
MMDad
Lem Putt
It's better than making her puke like you do, Tom.
Babies born to meth addicts...
Faces Of Meth Addiction, Portraits Of Aging Meth Addicts Make A Bleak Gallery Of Self-Destruction - CBS News
Faces of meth....
http://www.methmadness.com/addictfacesofmethL.jpg
Faces Of Meth Addiction, Portraits Of Aging Meth Addicts Make A Bleak Gallery Of Self-Destruction - CBS News
Faces of meth....
http://www.methmadness.com/addictfacesofmethL.jpg
PulseStart
Go Bills!
Hey, not from wiki I like it.
MMDad
Lem Putt
As I look around at more of this guy's story, I see that he isn't trying to get there for his daughter. He isn't asking to be allowed to visit. He wants to be put into the halfway house early so he can leave. He even admits he is still addicted.
Is that what we want? Do we want him cooking meth next month, make a mistake, and blow up an innocent bystander? Do we want him to shoot a clerk at Walgreens who refuses to sell him a pound of sudafed?
meangirl
Nice lady!
That faces of meth thing has always bothered me. Ugh. I can't understand why anyone would even try it.
Exactly and I looked at all the angles when I made my original post but I didn't specify it in words. Many facts are unknown, we don't know the entire circumstances of his case and prosecution. When I hear "It was only drugs and he only got 5 years" that says a lot. Most likely he pleaded down to a 5-year sentence for ratting someone else out instead of harder sentence because he was more involved than we are led to believe.
My thought also. She is already "gone" in a sense but not clinically dead yet. Life doesn't always go the way you'd like it, he had his chance and now he will suffer the consequences.
I hear bleeding heart sympathy dripping all thru this story. I don't feel sorry for him and I won't be a bit surprised when the media gets their way and he is released. Sometimes life's lesson are hard. Let's see what he makes of himself when he gets out. My opinion stands that he can wait.
Beelzebaby666
Has confinement issues..
Let him out to see her.. He can be escorted and supervised. The only reason to deny him is if he is cinsidered a flight risk and even then, I'd still let him see her.
We are not talking about the man's feelings, iut's ths child that matters.
It's been done before. When my father died the warden let two guards take my brother to the funeral briefly. He wasn't allowed to go to the grave site but at least he had a chance to be there..
When my uncle died there was no time and no one who cared enough to even tell my brother much less petition to have him granted a pass.There was no time for me toto, since I lived so far away, but afterward they did allow me in the prison so I could see him. All I did was drive there and ask the guard if I could talk to the warden.
We are not talking about the man's feelings, iut's ths child that matters.
It's been done before. When my father died the warden let two guards take my brother to the funeral briefly. He wasn't allowed to go to the grave site but at least he had a chance to be there..
When my uncle died there was no time and no one who cared enough to even tell my brother much less petition to have him granted a pass.There was no time for me toto, since I lived so far away, but afterward they did allow me in the prison so I could see him. All I did was drive there and ask the guard if I could talk to the warden.
BuddyLee
Football addict
Larry Gude
Strung Out
Huh...
...four years in jail and still addicted. Interesting...
As I look around at more of this guy's story, I see that he isn't trying to get there for his daughter. He isn't asking to be allowed to visit. He wants to be put into the halfway house early so he can leave. He even admits he is still addicted.
Is that what we want? Do we want him cooking meth next month, make a mistake, and blow up an innocent bystander? Do we want him to shoot a clerk at Walgreens who refuses to sell him a pound of sudafed?
...four years in jail and still addicted. Interesting...
Larry Gude
Strung Out
Ok...
...but this is turning into something more than 'should a dying child get a chance to see convict dad before she dies?'
People are throwing out 'bet she's not lucid anyway' and 'drug dealers kill innocent kids' and 'he's an addict' and now 'you can get drugs in jail'. We got 'maybe his drugs caused her cancer' and that the whole thing is a sham and everyone in the world is gonna get out of jail for free because of this.
If she's a vegetable, fine, there's no benefit to the child and screw him. The only thing I am looking at is a kid getting a dying wish. She doesn't see a drug dealer, she sees dad. To hell with him. He made his bed. To me, this is for her and again, if she's not coherent, too bad.
Yes, drugs kill kids. So what? He wasn't convicted of murder.
Is he an addict? He's had furloughs already. I didn't read where he ran off and bought or sold drugs or wouldn't go back to jail or otherwise misbehave to get in more trouble. Again, so what?
You can get drugs in jail. Great. The only way that happens is if the guards and wardens and the procedures allow it. Let's indict the whole system. Let's take away all the freedoms convicts get. Let's take the word of a warden who allows drugs in his jail at face value. I'm all for prison being a place no one wants to go and certainly not being a place where someone becomes a better criminal, but, again, this has nothing to do with the issue.
So, given the article presented and however limited it may or may not be, we can either look at it from that standpoint of the information given or we can postulate to our hearts content and make a case for him not getting to do as he wishes. And we can also speculate as to just why the warden won't allow this.
If the story is true, she'll be dead soon enough and everyone who is looking at it from the kids viewpoint will think it's too bad she didn't get to see him one last time and everyone who looks at it as some worthless criminal not getting any special treatment will say 'good.'
Yeah - everyone knows you can't get drugs in prison.
...but this is turning into something more than 'should a dying child get a chance to see convict dad before she dies?'
People are throwing out 'bet she's not lucid anyway' and 'drug dealers kill innocent kids' and 'he's an addict' and now 'you can get drugs in jail'. We got 'maybe his drugs caused her cancer' and that the whole thing is a sham and everyone in the world is gonna get out of jail for free because of this.
If she's a vegetable, fine, there's no benefit to the child and screw him. The only thing I am looking at is a kid getting a dying wish. She doesn't see a drug dealer, she sees dad. To hell with him. He made his bed. To me, this is for her and again, if she's not coherent, too bad.
Yes, drugs kill kids. So what? He wasn't convicted of murder.
Is he an addict? He's had furloughs already. I didn't read where he ran off and bought or sold drugs or wouldn't go back to jail or otherwise misbehave to get in more trouble. Again, so what?
You can get drugs in jail. Great. The only way that happens is if the guards and wardens and the procedures allow it. Let's indict the whole system. Let's take away all the freedoms convicts get. Let's take the word of a warden who allows drugs in his jail at face value. I'm all for prison being a place no one wants to go and certainly not being a place where someone becomes a better criminal, but, again, this has nothing to do with the issue.
So, given the article presented and however limited it may or may not be, we can either look at it from that standpoint of the information given or we can postulate to our hearts content and make a case for him not getting to do as he wishes. And we can also speculate as to just why the warden won't allow this.
If the story is true, she'll be dead soon enough and everyone who is looking at it from the kids viewpoint will think it's too bad she didn't get to see him one last time and everyone who looks at it as some worthless criminal not getting any special treatment will say 'good.'
cattitude
My Sweetest Boy
Pretty much said everything I've been thinking. BUT..we don't know what a 'comatose' child can and cannot hear or feel. I'd probably err on the side of letting him see the child one last time.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
If I missed...
...that she is in a coma, then, my bad. Again, if she can't 'see' him, then, from my view, this is part of the price HE pays. To bad for him.
...that she is in a coma, then, my bad. Again, if she can't 'see' him, then, from my view, this is part of the price HE pays. To bad for him.
cattitude
My Sweetest Boy
I quoted comatose because I wasn't sure what she was but I did read where she wasn't lucid. Just because she can't see, doesn't mean she won't know he's there. But then we're getting into all sorts of medical arguments. I'm a sap when it comes to kids.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
That's...
...why I put quotation marks around 'see'; if she is aware of her surroundings, great. Let him freaking go see her one more time. If she is not, too bad for him.
...why I put quotation marks around 'see'; if she is aware of her surroundings, great. Let him freaking go see her one more time. If she is not, too bad for him.
MMDad
Lem Putt
That isn't what he's asking for:
He wants to be let go for 30 days to see her. That doesn't sound like "Let me go see my dying daughter one more time." It sounds like "I want out of this place and maybe I can use my daughter as an excuse."
He has also been allowed to visit her escorted, just as everyone says he should be allowed to:
But he's looking to be released. Not escorted. That is what is being denied:
Notice that the FBP is not allowed to release or suspend a court imposed sentence. They cannot do what he is asking. What he should do is have his lawyer ask the judge that sentenced him to reconsider his sentence and modify the conditions.
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