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Chopticon teacher on a week +++cruise???
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itsbob
I bowl overhand
49 flippin' pages all because a teacher went on a cruise. I mean, damn. It's not like our flippin' tax dollars paid for it.
The money to pay for he sub's came from where??
you've said this multiple times...
and you wanted examples for statements made by others...
so do tell. What are some of these other jobs requiring time worked off-the-clock?
Sales presentations, Consulting, Program Documentation, Engineering, IT
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Sounds like a poor time management problem
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reficul_vs_dog
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...you do realize the people doing work from home in at LEAST 4/5 of those is compensated for it, right? So it isn't "off the clock"...which is what i'm trying to get you to see....
The teacher is also expected to do work from home and is paid for it, they earn a salary. This is where everyone keeps highballing their hourly wage though...you cannot take those hours away from the equation when determining how much their time was worth.
If teacher makes 40k a year, and engineer makes 100k a year...but they both AVERAGE out to the same NET hours worked then OBVIOUSLY the engineer makes more/hour (which is how it should be....:shrug:...but yall need to stop acting like teachers don't more than earn their meager wages..
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mAlice
professional daydreamer
Are you salaried, or hourly?
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reficul_vs_dog
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because what, they were going to teach the kids from home?
It is not their choice whether the school opens or not dippy.
If you have a lesson plan from Mon-Friday and you suddenly lose Tuesday and Wednesday, when do you think that time gets made up for?
itsbob
I bowl overhand
you've said this multiple times...
and you wanted examples for statements made by others...
so do tell. What are some of these other jobs requiring time worked off-the-clock?
Hell, how about TRAVEL!!
I don't get paid for the time I spend in hotels.. or the time I spend on a plane or in a rental car..
Add those hours up for a year.. If I'm not at my house, with my family and it's job related, i would assume by anyone's defintion, that I would be at work.
I don't get paid for that time.. SOMEtimes you get paid for the actual travel.. but you don't get paid for the entire 24 hours a day you are away from home for work. In those instances I'd say I put in an extra 16 hours of uncompensated time EVERY day that I'm on travel.
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reficul_vs_dog
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i'd assume hourly...or else it wouldn't matter what she did when
, just that it all got done.that is what i'm trying to say about teachers though...sure, they're salary and they HAVE to get all that work done...but the point is that everyone seems to take those extra work hours out of the equation when determining how much their hourly work is worth.
mAlice
professional daydreamer
Then you haven't read everything that has been posted, or you choose not to acknowledge it.
No they arent, that is why they are SALARY, they are not paid for hours worked, they are paid for doing their Job.
And the same is true for Average Joe employee, the only difference is Average Joe isnt getting all the additional time off that the Teacher is.
Your not making a comparable to like items.If teacher makes 40k a year, and engineer makes 100k a year...but they both AVERAGE out to the same NET hours worked then OBVIOUSLY the engineer makes more/hour (which is how it should be....:shrug:...but yall need to stop acting like teachers don't more than earn their meager wages..
If the Teachers makes 40k a year, based on 1425 hours (7.5 per day, 190 days) the Teacher is making $28.07 an hour, and MAY work overtime, and may take some Vacation time off during the school year.
The Average Joe employee makes 40k a year, based an 2080 hours (8 per day, 40 per week, 52 weeks) Average Joe is making $19.23 an hour, and MAY work some overtime, and may take soem vacation off during the year.
The difference is in the Days off, that is afforded the Teacher that is NOT afforded to Average Joe employee.
itsbob
I bowl overhand
If teacher makes 40k a year, and engineer makes 100k a year...but they both AVERAGE out to the same NET hours worked then OBVIOUSLY the engineer makes more/hour (which is how it should be....:shrug:...but yall need to stop acting like teachers don't more than earn their meager wages..
If that's the case than get the Unions out of it. Let the EMPLOYER (us the taxpayer) pay according to ability, no more tenure.. no more poor performance.. Performance based pay, just like everyone else.
Either perform, get raises and promotions, or get fired. You know, like everyone else that has a job..
Yes there are a number of good teachers, dedicated, willing to put in the time to teach our kids.. but there also a number of teachers out there just punching the clock that we can do nothing about. Teachers want to earn more, than clean up your own house, or let us do it. Get rid of the dead weight, the unwilling and the lazy, pare down to a good work force and get rewarded with better pay.
I FULLY support testing the teachers. we have to have our kids take tests to determine if they can pass, or graduate, but nobody is testing the teachers to see if they have a working knowledge of basic skills to have the ability to teach our kids.. and the Union continues to fight it.. Are they afraid they are going to be embarassed if their teachers have to test for certification?? How'd you like to find out your kid's history Teacher can't do 6th grade math, or can't read and write beyond a 6th grade level??
This is probably the only place private schools are really a benefit. They can hire and fire at will. Perform or, don't let the door hit you where the good lord split you.. and whether you have one year or 20 years, you had to continue to perform.
kmw1123
New Member
Yes, we've chosen our jobs.
Yes, we have decent salaries.
Yes, we have decent benefits.
Yes, we have time off during the summer and around holidays. (Although I am not sure we are paid for those holidays as mentioned in an earlier post)
BUT, we deal with 160 or more of your children on a daily basis. I would not classify a cruise as a vacation. I would classify it as a mental health sick day. Think about how happy you are when it comes time for school to start in the fall. Then think about how much fun it would be to teach middle schoolers all about communism and the fall of the Soviet Union. Think about how much fun it would be to do that when their hormones are raging. Think about having to deal with that during the day and then after they go home you have to deal with the unhappy and ungrateful parents wanting to know why their kid is failing. Then think about lugging home a huge stackful of papers that need to be graded ASAP.
Yes, we know that we are getting into.
Yes, we know it is a crappy job that for some strange reason we love it.
Yes, we are human, and if I have a husband who can only get a week off in January, February, or some other month in the school year and he wants to take me on a cruise, then tough donkey doo-doo. I give enough of my time, energy, and mental anguish to this job and if something comes up like a rare vacation opportunity, my wedding, or the birth of a child, then I have every right to enjoy it as I see fit.
Yes, we have decent salaries.
Yes, we have decent benefits.
Yes, we have time off during the summer and around holidays. (Although I am not sure we are paid for those holidays as mentioned in an earlier post)
BUT, we deal with 160 or more of your children on a daily basis. I would not classify a cruise as a vacation. I would classify it as a mental health sick day. Think about how happy you are when it comes time for school to start in the fall. Then think about how much fun it would be to teach middle schoolers all about communism and the fall of the Soviet Union. Think about how much fun it would be to do that when their hormones are raging. Think about having to deal with that during the day and then after they go home you have to deal with the unhappy and ungrateful parents wanting to know why their kid is failing. Then think about lugging home a huge stackful of papers that need to be graded ASAP.
Yes, we know that we are getting into.
Yes, we know it is a crappy job that for some strange reason we love it.
Yes, we are human, and if I have a husband who can only get a week off in January, February, or some other month in the school year and he wants to take me on a cruise, then tough donkey doo-doo. I give enough of my time, energy, and mental anguish to this job and if something comes up like a rare vacation opportunity, my wedding, or the birth of a child, then I have every right to enjoy it as I see fit.
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reficul_vs_dog
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You're so slow. OK...let me try this again.Teacher makes 40k a year, is contracted to (we'll go with yours) 7.5 hours a day...PLUS the amount of time it is required to get all extra work done such as grading, planning, reviewing material, ect. It is not a matter of "may" work overtime, it is a fact that they average at LEAST 9 hour days JUST on school days...that isn't counting all of the time they must spend on other days of the week, days kids have off, ect.
You cannot say, 40k a year times the VERY lowballed number of 7.5 hours a day and only 190 days a year...that is just ridiculously stupid logic performed.
even though we've jumped shark
lmaoI think most people agree with you taking Vacation, except for the original poster. My only comment would be as long as it isnt detrimental to the student by having a sub follow your lesson plan.
clevalley
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I wonder if the teacher has come back from her cruise yet?
I wonder if she brought me a present back
Probably after getting all sexed-up on the high seas (damn her luck) ... I wonder if she back at school or did she take another week off so she can walk straight? :shrug:
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reficul_vs_dog
Guest
not sure what you're referring to, but I can assure you that i've been here from the beginning and read every post
(which unless you did some back-reading, you did NOT do such a thing
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mAlice
professional daydreamer
Teacher makes 40k a year, is contracted to (we'll go with yours) 7.5 hours a day...PLUS the amount of time it is required to get all extra work done such as grading, planning, reviewing material, ect. It is not a matter of "may" work overtime, it is a fact that they average at LEAST 9 hour days JUST on school days...that isn't counting all of the time they must spend on other days of the week, days kids have off, ect.
You cannot say, 40k a year times the VERY lowballed number of 7.5 hours a day and only 190 days a year...that is just ridiculously stupid logic performed.
No. YOU are slow.
kmw1123
New Member
mAlice
professional daydreamer
not sure what you're referring to, but I can assure you that i've been here from the beginning and read every post
(which unless you did some back-reading, you did NOT do such a thing
Another retard for the iggy list.