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reficul_vs_dog
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good one
seriously though, this thread is a ridiculously long and monotenous (sp?) read for anyone who hasn't been following for a little bit
Chopticon teacher on a week +++cruise???
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good one
seriously though, this thread is a ridiculously long and monotenous (sp?) read for anyone who hasn't been following for a little bit
Apples to Apples that is no different for Average Joe employee.You're so slow.
Teacher makes 40k a year, is contracted to (we'll go with yours) 7.5 hours a day...PLUS the amount of time it is required to get all extra work done such as grading, planning, reviewing material, ect. It is not a matter of "may" work overtime, it is a fact that they average at LEAST 9 hour days JUST on school days...that isn't counting all of the time they must spend on other days of the week, days kids have off, ect.
You cannot say, 40k a year times the VERY lowballed number of 7.5 hours a day and only 190 days a year...that is just ridiculously stupid logic performed.
You dont like the 40K figure because comparing that to what Average Joe employee works (and gets paid for) its awfully tough to complain when you also get off for :
Teachers were off (and paid/or not using Vacation) extended time for Thanksgiving (off Wednesday Nov 21st return Monday the 26th) - Average Joe employee No
Teachers get off (and paid/or not using Vacation) all Smow days - Average Joe employee No
Teachers get off (and paid/or not using Vacation) Christmas break (7 business days) - Average Joe employee No
Teachers get off (and paid/or not using Vacation) Spring break (6 business days) - Average Joe employee No
Teachers get off (and paid/or not using Vacation) Summer break (45 business days or 9 weeks) - Average Joe employee No
theArtistFormerlyKnownAs
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see your karma silly.
dawn
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Charles County teachers and students must report to school on a Federal holiday -- Columbus Day/October 8 http://www2.ccboe.com/PDF/07-08-calendar.pdf and by my calculations charles county teachers work 192 days a year x 8 hours total 1536 rather than the 1425 you estimate.
theArtistFormerlyKnownAs
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after a suggestion from the elegant mAlice...
here is the point, but in a straight-forward manner
I hope you all understand now
here is the point, but in a straight-forward manner
I hope you all understand now
mAlice
professional daydreamer
after a suggestion from the elegant mAlice...
here is the point, but in a straight-forward manner
I hope you all understand now
Well, I've met a lot of lazy teachers, so....
fine i was using St Mary's county and they were off that Holiday.
Someone posted it was a 7.5 hour day not 8. (Average Joe employee has an 8 hour day, and works 8.5 to make up for lunch)
As such, and using your 192 day year:
7.5 hours a day * 192 day year = 1440 hours
1440 hours / $40000 = $27.77 an hour
itsbob
I bowl overhand
I've tutored prospective teachers on the Praxis..
I wasn't too impressed.
So yes, it is possible to get a degree and not have the ability to read or comprehend on a 6th grade level.
Can you get a degree with a 2.0 GPA?? Did you learn as much or have the same abilities as someone that gets a 4.0? How many times can you take a class to pass it with a 'C'.. can you point out the teachers to me that graduated with a 2.0 GPA? Do they get paid less?
And how often does a teacher have to take the Praxis to prove proficiency?
Kind of like a doctor.. you take a test ONE time in your life, and you're IT forever.. like nothing changes, there are no advances..
Xaquin44
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two questions. Why does the average joe have to use vacation time to work from home?
and why does an average joe even have a snow day?
If he's working it's not exactly a vacation.
If there is a smow day, average joe does not get to stay home, unless he takes vacation time to do it.
sucks for contractors because (typically) if the government is off, the contractor (more than likely) also has to take off, even if he could have made it in.
And just like a teacher, average joe may or may not work on that day off.
Xaquin44
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snow day?
I've worked in the professional field for 7 years and have never had a 'snow day'
Contractors and the like are a bit different as snow etc. affects them differently in that they can't do much of their work at times (I know you know this, I was just clarifying that I do too).
I've worked in the professional field for 7 years and have never had a 'snow day'
Contractors and the like are a bit different as snow etc. affects them differently in that they can't do much of their work at times (I know you know this, I was just clarifying that I do too).
bohman
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Sadly, I think some of us need to say the same thing. Your negativity is staggering, and very tiresome.
theArtistFormerlyKnownAs
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i don't understand this post...
Are you talking about ignoring malice or the reficul person? I think mAlice just doesn't beat around the bush for stuff...not like she is ALWAYS
wink wrong..
and this reficul fellow seems to have some valid points, albeit the sources aren't terrific :shrug:
ITS ME
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based on your figures above the teacher is making 40000 for working 1440 hours. 1440 hours is equivent to 38 weeks
so you estimate they are paid 1052.00 before taxes. IRS estimates at 40000 a year you should pay 6430 to uncle sam. divide 6430 by 38 weeks at least 169.70 of your check goes to Feds, this is estimating for state as i did not look up whay you should pay, say we cut that in half 85 a paycheck for state so now you have 254 out of pocket for taxes, lets throw 50 in for FICA with a grand total of 304.70 coming out of a 1052.00 weekly paycheck which leaves 747.30 a week with a total of 2989.20 a month (keep in mind this is only for 9.5 months. If the teacher should they opt to get paid the 27.77 a hour for the nine months verses the 12 months the teacher would have to put some of that 2989.20 away to survive the 2.5 months of summer vacation, which would be approximately 2989.20 (monthly salary) x 2.5 months) is 7472.60 of the 40000.000 they would need to put away to have the same typical salary while they are off. To get to that figure they would have to put away 786.59 a month for the 9.5 months they are getting paid. So you expect a teacher to live 2200 a month for 9 months which is basically 550 a week and survive and still love their job? Teachers are grossly underpaid to put up with all the bullshait they do from students and parents alike.
This_person
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Outstanding post!
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czygvtwkr
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I disagree with this, but was it ever kept secret that teachers didn't get paid that well? Everyone that became a teacher knew about the pay before hand. Sorry no sympathy for the pay situation.
terbear1225
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so far, I haven't seen any teacher on here asking for sympathy or a "pity party" all we are asking for is for equal recognition that we do in fact earn the money that we get, just like the "average joe" that people keep referring to. yes, there are some lazy teachers out there who may not be earning their keep just as there are some lazy "average joe's." and again, I will reiterate, the $40,000 figure that keeps getting thrown around is not quite accurate'. I'm still well below that.
Just as with teachers, professionals can and are affected by weather. If the government and school systems feels its not apporpriate for their employees to come to work they are relieved from having to come in. For Government employees they can be dismissed with pay, or dismissed without. For Teachers if the school system is closed they are off.
For Average Joe employee if the above holds true (its not safe for Govt, its not safe for School) they are not afforded the same concern and if they take off (because its not safe) they have to use vacation to do it.
Its not a hard concept to understand, your willingness to argue the point doesnt change the fact that when the weather affects road conditions, Teachers get the day off, Average Joe has to take vacation.