Chopticon teacher on a week +++cruise???

[Xaquin44]

Its not a hard concept to understand, your willingness to argue the point doesnt change the fact that when the weather affects road conditions, Teachers get the day off, Average Joe has to take vacation.

I'm arguing the point because you're missing it.

Firstly, teachers can work on snow days because they take their papers and etc. home to grade it anyway therefore they are not 'off' so much as working at home. Just because they aren't physically in the school building, doesn't mean there is no work to be done. Secondly, as I said, I've never had to take a snow day and I can't imagine that anything short of a blizzard would result in the need. Thirdly, if by some strange condition (blizzard or perhaps some kind of tornado) another professional needs to remain home, they should have to use vacation if they aren't working. If they are working, then there is no reason to claim it as vacation.

 

[NoName]

based on your figures above the teacher is making 40000 for working 1440 hours. 1440 hours is equivent to 38 weeks

so you estimate they are paid 1052.00 before taxes. IRS estimates at 40000 a year you should pay 6430 to uncle sam. divide 6430 by 38 weeks at least 169.70 of your check goes to Feds, this is estimating for state as i did not look up whay you should pay, say we cut that in half 85 a paycheck for state so now you have 254 out of pocket for taxes, lets throw 50 in for FICA with a grand total of 304.70 coming out of a 1052.00 weekly paycheck which leaves 747.30 a week with a total of 2989.20 a month (keep in mind this is only for 9.5 months. If the teacher should they opt to get paid the 27.77 a hour for the nine months verses the 12 months the teacher would have to put some of that 2989.20 away to survive the 2.5 months of summer vacation, which would be approximately 2989.20 (monthly salary) x 2.5 months) is 7472.60 of the 40000.000 they would need to put away to have the same typical salary while they are off. To get to that figure they would have to put away 786.59 a month for the 9.5 months they are getting paid. So you expect a teacher to live 2200 a month for 9 months which is basically 550 a week and survive and still love their job? Teachers are grossly underpaid to put up with all the bullshait they do from students and parents alike.

Your now changing the argument, NOWHERE did i say that Teachers are over or underpaid. What i have said is that being a Teacher is a CHOICE. And that Teachers do not have the same hours as Average Joe Employee.

Your argument is moot, because we are comparing $40k a year Teacher with a $40k a year Average Joe employee.

When you make that comparison, all the financial burdens a Teacher faces (in your above scenario) are also faced by the Average Joe employee. The ONLY difference, and this is a simple concept, the Teacher has additional oppurtunities for income, because they do not have to work equal hours, that the Average Joe employee can only accomplish with difficulty, since he already facing a 52 week a year job.

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Apples to Apples that is no different for Average Joe employee.

You dont like the 40K figure because comparing that to what Average Joe employee works (and gets paid for) its awfully tough to complain when you also get off for :

Teachers were off (and paid/or not using Vacation) extended time for Thanksgiving (off Wednesday Nov 21st return Monday the 26th) - Average Joe employee No
Teachers get off (and paid/or not using Vacation) all Smow days - Average Joe employee No
Teachers get off (and paid/or not using Vacation) Christmas break (7 business days) - Average Joe employee No
Teachers get off (and paid/or not using Vacation) Spring break (6 business days) - Average Joe employee No
Teachers get off (and paid/or not using Vacation) Summer break (45 business days or 9 weeks) - Average Joe employee No

Snow days: Most of the time, we DO work snow days. They normally let the students off and make us come in on a delay. Of course, when we do get off, most of the town is shut down anyways and most everyone else is off.

Christmas break is the same as most other people. We DO work during the Christmas holiday, so wrong again.

Spring break: WRONG AGAIN! We DO work Spring Break,.

Summer Break: There's also a number of teachers who do summer school and other summer acadamies, some without pay. See, they have a 9 month pay, not 12 months. So they're not getting paid for the summer break.

 

[theArtistFormerlyKnownAs]

Your now changing the argument, NOWHERE did i say that Teachers are over or underpaid. What i have said is that being a Teacher is a CHOICE. And that Teachers do not have the same hours as Average Joe Employee.

Your argument is moot, because we are comparing $40k a year Teacher with a $40k a year Average Joe employee.

When you make that comparison, all the financial burdens a Teacher faces (in your above scenario) are also faced by the Average Joe employee. The ONLY difference, and this is a simple concept, the Teacher has additional oppurtunities for income, because they do not have to work equal hours, that the Average Joe employee can only accomplish with difficulty, since he already facing a 52 week a year job.

I do believe the "average" joe gets at least a little bit of time off? a week maybe? I don't think many people work a FULL 52 weeks a year :shrug:

 

[BS Gal]

Snow days: Most of the time, we DO work snow days. They normally let the students off and make us come in on a delay. Of course, when we do get off, most of the town is shut down anyways and most everyone else is off.

Christmas break is the same as most other people. We DO work during the Christmas holiday, so wrong again.

Spring break: WRONG AGAIN! We DO work Spring Break,.

Summer Break: There's also a number of teachers who do summer school and other summer acadamies, some without pay. See, they have a 9 month pay, not 12 months. So they're not getting paid for the summer break.

Didn't they completely shut the schools and admin down over Xmas this year in St. Mary's to "save" energy? 10 days of vacation to save energy?

 

[mAlice]

I don't think many people work a FULL 52 weeks a year :shrug:

You don't think so? Check retail, hospitality. A lot of those employees work less than a 40 hour week, so aren't entitled to benefits.

 

[OldHillcrestGuy]

Snow days: Most of the time, we DO work snow days. They normally let the students off and make us come in on a delay. Of course, when we do get off, most of the town is shut down anyways and most everyone else is off.

Christmas break is the same as most other people. We DO work during the Christmas holiday, so wrong again.

Spring break: WRONG AGAIN! We DO work Spring Break,.

Summer Break: There's also a number of teachers who do summer school and other summer acadamies, some without pay. See, they have a 9 month pay, not 12 months. So they're not getting paid for the summer break.

Andy dont think they are talking about administrative employees, yes we do have to come to work when it snows, and between Christmas and New Years and spring break.

 

[NoName]

Snow days: Most of the time, we DO work snow days. They normally let the students off and make us come in on a delay. Of course, when we do get off, most of the town is shut down anyways and most everyone else is off.

If you have off, or have a delay, Teachers do not have to take vacation, Average Joe does

Christmas break is the same as most other people. We DO work during the Christmas holiday, so wrong again.

Are you sure ? because i know for a fact Teachers are off Christmas Break

Spring break: WRONG AGAIN! We DO work Spring Break,.

Teachers do not work Spring break.

Summer Break: There's also a number of teachers who do summer school and other summer acadamies, some without pay. See, they have a 9 month pay, not 12 months. So they're not getting paid for the summer break.

Teachers who work summer school are paid for it, someone even posted they make $150 a day to teach.

Your 9 month / 12 month pay isnt valid, since we've been talkign $40k a year. if anything you hurt your argument, since they are paid $40k for only 9 months work, where Average joe is paid $40k for 12 months.

 

[theArtistFormerlyKnownAs]

You don't think so? Check retail, hospitality. A lot of those employees work less than a 40 hour week, so aren't entitled to benefits.

But then are they really working 52 full weeks? If they aren't full time then it isn't a "full week"...is it? I mean, I pulled that for awhile, did restaurant work 6 nights a week for a good bit of time...but I still wouldn't have said I never got vacation :shrug:

 

[mAlice]

But then are they really working 52 full weeks? If they aren't full time then it isn't a "full week"...is it? I mean, I pulled that for awhile, did restaurant work 6 nights a week for a good bit of time...but I still wouldn't have said I never got vacation :shrug:

Whether or not they put in a full week isn't the point. The point is they are required to be there each week. Meaning, they're vacation is LWOP, or they can't get the time off at all.

 

[NoName]

I do believe the "average" joe gets at least a little bit of time off? a week maybe? I don't think many people work a FULL 52 weeks a year :shrug:

And? i do believe the "average" teacher gets off alot more time? a few months maybe? (see here)

 

[dawn]

the $40,000 figure that keeps getting thrown around is not quite accurate'. I'm still well below that.

As is my best friend, she is not at the 40,000.00 mark yet either.

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

If you have off, or have a delay, Teachers do not have to take vacation, Average Joe does

Are you sure ? because i know for a fact Teachers are off Christmas Break

Teachers do not work Spring break.

Teachers who work summer school are paid for it, someone even posted they make $150 a day to teach.

Your 9 month / 12 month pay isnt valid, since we've been talkign $40k a year. if anything you hurt your argument, since they are paid $40k for only 9 months work, where Average joe is paid $40k for 12 months.

All those snow days are added on. And, when I worked in retail, they did not make us come in if the conditions were dangerous.

When I had to take off to miss work because of a storm, I was fully expected to make that day up - just as students and teachers are. They don't shut down schools most of the time, anyway.

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

If you have off, or have a delay, Teachers do not have to take vacation, Average Joe does

Are you sure ? because i know for a fact Teachers are off Christmas Break

Teachers do not work Spring break.

Teachers who work summer school are paid for it, someone even posted they make $150 a day to teach.

Your 9 month / 12 month pay isnt valid, since we've been talkign $40k a year. if anything you hurt your argument, since they are paid $40k for only 9 months work, where Average joe is paid $40k for 12 months.

You're making $40,000!

Cool, wanna switch jobs?

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

If you have off, or have a delay, Teachers do not have to take vacation, Average Joe does

Are you sure ? because i know for a fact Teachers are off Christmas Break

Teachers do not work Spring break.

Teachers who work summer school are paid for it, someone even posted they make $150 a day to teach.

Your 9 month / 12 month pay isnt valid, since we've been talkign $40k a year. if anything you hurt your argument, since they are paid $40k for only 9 months work, where Average joe is paid $40k for 12 months.

If you think it's so easy being a teacher, why don't you go get a college degree and become one. I mean, the grass is greener, right?

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

As is my best friend, she is not at the 40,000.00 mark yet either.

The $40,000 number is

I work 12 months a year and don't make $40,000.

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Didn't they completely shut the schools and admin down over Xmas this year in St. Mary's to "save" energy? 10 days of vacation to save energy?

I don't know/care what St. Mary's did. Charles didn't.

Take a wild guess how I know that?

 

[theArtistFormerlyKnownAs]

Whether or not they put in a full week isn't the point. The point is they are required to be there each week. Meaning, they're vacation is LWOP, or they can't get the time off at all.

I have decided that we simply can't compare the two unless we are comparing the teachers to an "average joe" who is on salary, not hourly pay. If for instance a business closes down due to inclement weather and average joe employee is forced to stay home, he does not have to waste vacation because the business closed...and he is getting paid for the day because he is paid salary, not based on "time worked". That is how it would basically go for a teacher, but teachers would ALSO be having to do work at home to get their lessons planned out since they just lost a day.

If the business average-joe-on-salary works at DOESN'T "close down" but it is optional for him to come in because of the poor weather, and he chooses to stay home, then yes, he is forced to waste vacation...but that is the same for a teacher that doesn't come in if the school is opened :shrug:

 

[NoName]

All those snow days are added on. .

Dont know where you are, but St Mary's gets 5 days for inclement weather. IF there are more than 5 days, it gets tacked onto the end of year.

1 day off for weather - No additional days at the end of year
2 days off for weather - No additional days at the end of year
3 days off for weather - No additional days at the end of year
4 days off for weather - No additional days at the end of year
5 days off for weather - No additional days at the end of year
6 days off for weather - One additional day at the end of year
7 days off for weather - Two additional days at the end of year
etc.

And, when I worked in retail, they did not make us come in if the conditions were dangerous. When I had to take off to miss work because of a storm, I was fully expected to make that day up - just as students and teachers are. They don't shut down schools most of the time, anyway.

You made my point for me, thanks.

When you worked retail, During inclement weather, if you took off, didnt have to come in (whatever), you either made it up or had to take vacation. Otherwise your paycheck was smaller.

During inclement weather, Average Joe employee also has to make it up or take vacation, otherwise his check is smaller

During inclement weather, Teacher gets off, and as long as its not more than 5 inclement weather closings, does not have to make it up, does not have to take vacation. Not saying its a good or bad thing, but its an additional perk on top of all the other time they are off, that gets missed when Teachers are held up as pariahs

 

[NoName]

You're making $40,000!

Cool, wanna switch jobs?

whats wrong MSNBC off the air?