Circus - No fun for animals

[mark]

vraiblonde...

in answer to your rediculous post, my god people like you annoy me..

kids...i am 42 so not quite a kid....

and think how many zebras survive because their predators are taken away... i actuallt cannot believe i have heard something as stupid as that.. i am not a mean *******, i believe what animal lover is saying, it just frustrates me when i read some really stupid thoughts...

do you think what you are saying, basically you are saying there will be more zebras in the world because of circuses... ok..i am not going to verbally bash you anymore...  

put your barbies down for a moment and listen... i will use small words..and I am not talking about the eating meat debate...

circuses hurt animals... for no other reasons than profit.. circuses abuse animals thats it... why do you want to support that ?

 

[missi1013]

You know Mark you are an A@@hole! Maybe if you would have been a little nicer, some people might have listen to you.  But now you just gone and pissed us all off!!!

And Vari-  I wouldn't take that "put down the barbie" thing either!

 

[Christy]

What is it with animal activists and their ZERO sense of humor!    Mark you take yourself WAAAAAY to seriously and get your bowels in an uproar over just about any comment.    You also have an over inflated perception of your own intellect.  It doesn't take a rocket scientist (or an animal activist) to figure out Vrai is just being facetious you big dope!  :silly:

 

[mark]

the thing is everyone, this is a serious topic.. AL has brought something to our attention, something that is happening in our community, something that we have the power to change...

I am not an animal activist, but as AL has brought it to our attention, we must do something about it, this is our community folks... and we don't want these people here... we don't want people here that abuse animals...
there is no need for it.... i would encourage you to find out the truth for yourself if you don't believe AL or I... but do something about it... you have all spent so much time on here talking about it...

now..are you folks going to do something or are you not....

 

[missi1013]

Noooo!  You people already ran the circus out of Charles.  

Oh by the way, you can explain to my 3 year old way he didn't get to see the circus this year.  He still hasn't stop crying about it.  Hopefully you won't ruin it for the kids in St Mary's.  

 

[animal lover]

Cariblue -
Thank you.  You have made the abuse worthwhile...  

Missi -
Sorry about the Charles County thing.  (Well okay I'm not really sorry, but I am sorry that your 3 year old is upset)  

(Edited by animal lover at 2:01 pm on April 23, 2002)

 

[vraiblonde]

When you jump into a forum and start name-calling, you can rest assured that all you'll do is alienate people.  So if you were looking for support for your cause, consider it frittered away by your bigger desire to belittle and anger people.  Way to get people to sign your petition!  You certainly won some fans over, didn't you?

Ya'll might think about what you really want and find better ways of getting it.  Mark, hopefully animals like you because I can't imagine that any people do.  You say you're not going to verbally bash me anymore, then you do it again in the very next sentence.  Good going!  Way to get people to see your point of view!  "Put down the barbies" - ha ha!  How clever!  Did you learn that in the circus?

 

[RoseRed]

I must say....  the fur sure is flying for the be kind to animals thread.....

 

[mark]

cariblue...you are dead right, lets do something in our own backyard... i for one am going to call that fairgounds president...

and missi....I am not going to explain to your kid why he didn't get to see the circus that's your job as a parent... you can explain to him that the circus trainers hurt and are nasty to the animals..and that is why we do not go.. then get into your car and take him to the national zoo in DC.. its free... and he can see all the animals he wants...

..and before all you people start going on with what about zoo's then.... let's take this thing one step at a time... this is our community.... we live here.... and if we don't want people it it that hurt and abuse animals that we have a right to do something about it

 

[Christy]

Mark, I don't want liberals in my community.   I've tried and tried for years to convince the rest of my community members to revoke their license to speak and breathe, as it uses up valuable oxygen, better conserved for the "always righties"!  

If you back me on my cause, I'll gladly slap a PETA sticker to my leather jacket, and chain myself to an elephant for you!  

 

[mark]

vraiblonde,

I am just trying to make you think about what you are saying, are you really offended, does it really hurt... i bet not as much as that poor elephant that is being beaten right at this moment...

lets try and put things is perspective....  I am asking you a simple question, do you really want to support something that abuses animals... do you want that in your community...

this is to everyone here... lets do something about this, lets stop the abuse right here, right now, lets stop this fair from coming to st. marys... lets show the circus that people of southern maryland don't stand for that sort of thing... show them that we are decent folk and we don't want their sort round these parts...

 

[Ken King]

Mark,

Educate myself, hmm, let's see the circus has currently been authorized to operate in this county, the link that Animal Lover provided with further links to the Beatty-Cole Bros. circus via PETA shows that there have been allegations of abuse but no convictions, the one fine mentioned indicates that they had to pay a $10,000 fine but that was suspended if the funds were used for the animals, and the intent of a circus is to provide entertainment to the populace.  PETA conveniently goes off subject with the clown being charged which has nothing to do with the topic other then it was a circus employee.  What more is there to know?  You say this is an important subject, for whom?   Not me, other then I found a place to take the grandkids over the weekend.  I’ll spend some money so they can buy some food for the animals instead of boycotting them creating a more desperate scenario for those you claim to be concerned about.

I also noticed you didn’t work with the animals but were basically a “roadie”, such a wealth of knowledge I am sure.  I was going to bet you were about to say you were a clown, but I guess you are over qualified for that or maybe just a liar that was the clown that the PETA site talked about.   I did notice that you said others left because of the cruelty but you didn’t claim that so I guess it was okay with you when your pockets were being filled with the proceeds of such alleged scandalous acts.  Christy is right you are a hypocrite.

BTW, call the President of the county fair.  He has nothing to do with this event; even an uneducated person such as myself knows that.  

 

[animal lover]

Ken -

I don't know who you called but you are wrong.  The President of the Fair Association is directly involved with getting the circus here.  His name is John Richards and his phone number is 301-475-2256.  

No one else had anything to do with it, not St. Mary's Commissioner Office, not the St Mary's County Sheriff, not the Parks&Recreation, not Community Service... Not even Leonardtown local government.  

 

[mark]

ken,

this is not about me... so i am going to refrain from bashing you back, suffice to say i was not the clown and i did stop working for the circus because of how sick these people were...

you say that you will give money to the circus and then they will be able to feed their animals...and you have read the PETA information on circuses so obviously you do realize that something is wrong there...  

i am getting tired of talking to people that are closed off, all I am saying is that I support Animal Lover, and I have seen the acts of cruelty first hand... why do you still want to take your grandkids to that...

will you whisper in their ears as they are watching animals stand on their heads, "thats not natural by the way, and the animals had to be tortured and beaten to perform like that" .. or would you rather that your grandkids had no idea what the truth is... and grow up thinking that it is okay to abuse animals....

children are the future of our country and we must educate them to take positions of responsibilty, they will be running the country one day... taking them to the circus and telling them lies is not the way to start

 

[vraiblonde]

Mark, screw yourself, okay?  If you'd taken a second to read through the posts instead of just attacking, you'd have seen that I was the original poster who agreed with AnimalLover and said "no" to the circus (and zoos).  I am, and always will be, totally against animal abuse.  However, if a trainer wanted to take a whip to you I'd applaud.   Might teach you some manners.

 

[mark]

vraiblonde,

if you are and always will be against animal abuse...then DO something about it.... lets stop attacking each other on here... and do something about the animal abuse that is coming to our county... go and tell your neighbours tonight, tell your kids, give the teachers of your kids a call and tell them, lets start educating people about this

 

[Ken King]

Animal Lover,

Having dealt with events that utilize the Fair Grounds I realize that the permission to use the site comes from Mr. Richards’s board.  For permits and such the circus deals with the Governmental Center, I think the taxation and assessment section.  Which should have been in order prior to the circus receiving permission from the fair board.  I still say he has nothing to do with this event because it has the required permits and meets one of the uses allowed for on that property.  Call him all you want and complain, then drive by while the circus is in town and see how many people your actions stopped.   By the way what you posted wasn’t his phone number it was the office at the Fair Grounds.

Anyway back to a previous comment you made about milk production, you said, “and the fact that the cows are kept pregnant in order to continue producing that milk”, that is somewhat incorrect.  Milk producers try to get their cows on a yearly birthing cycle for the 5 to 6 years that a cow lactates.  The gestation for a cow is around 9 months and milk is produced for an average of 305 days after calving.  60 days before the next calving milking is stopped and the expecting cow is allowed to dry off.  So they aren’t kept pregnant.  


mark,

I second Vriablondes opinion and think you should go over to the nearest corner and self fornicate.  I think I might just buy a dozen or so tickets and give them away so kids can have some fun.

(Edited by Ken King at 2:59 pm on April 23, 2002)

 

[missi1013]

Hey Ken I'll go with you.  Since the circus got ruined here!

 

[BL]

Mark,

Like I told AL, don’t you have anything better to do than bitch about a circus?  If you are so intelligent why don’t you petition for something important.  Do you really think keeping the circus out of ST Marys is going to stop the so called abuse toward animals, and it seems that you have no supporters here except AL, so why bother?  

 

[Christy]

Holy Cow (pun intended) You go farmer Ken!    You are too much sometimes!

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