Circus - No fun for animals
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Larry Gude
Strung Out
Just out of curiosity...
Anyone know if the clown was Catholic or not?
..."Pastor! Pastor! What's with the elephant???"...
Anyone know if the clown was Catholic or not?
..."Pastor! Pastor! What's with the elephant???"...
BudoPo
Member
I'm going to be very frank here. I'm not trying single anyone out; I'm addressing the entire membership of this forum (including myself).
I'm not too surprised by the way this thread has run. I joined this forum fairly recently, and have found that personal attacks, name calling, and sterotyping is very common. I've been on several other forums (for various fields of interest of mine) and I've rarely seen it to this extent. It seems at times that people are more interested in bashing others than in discussing the topic of a particular thread.
There have been some threads with good discussions of interesting topics, where people presented their views with a polite tone. I think we all (myself included) need to think before we type. Even if we are well intentioned, it's very easy for the typed word to be taken in a manner other than it was intended. I've seen this happen to myself and others on various forums.
I'm a non-Christian Democrat with moderately liberal tendancies, from a big city, so often my views are different than many of the people on this forum. I usually respect other people's views and try to see things their way, even if I may not agree with them. If I think a person is a complete moron, I don't post it, as if I were talking to the person face to face.
Stereotyping is another thing that leads to this nastiness. Saying things like, "you're a liberal, and therefore an idiot" or "you're a Republican, and therefore a hypocrite" does not help get your point across, and in fact paints you in a bad light (by the way, feel free to swap liberal and Republican in that example - liberals can be hypocrites just as easily as Republicans can be idiots). There are as many opinions on this website as there are members, so sterotyping is uncalled for.
OK, I've spoken my mind.
I'm not too surprised by the way this thread has run. I joined this forum fairly recently, and have found that personal attacks, name calling, and sterotyping is very common. I've been on several other forums (for various fields of interest of mine) and I've rarely seen it to this extent. It seems at times that people are more interested in bashing others than in discussing the topic of a particular thread.
There have been some threads with good discussions of interesting topics, where people presented their views with a polite tone. I think we all (myself included) need to think before we type. Even if we are well intentioned, it's very easy for the typed word to be taken in a manner other than it was intended. I've seen this happen to myself and others on various forums.
I'm a non-Christian Democrat with moderately liberal tendancies, from a big city, so often my views are different than many of the people on this forum. I usually respect other people's views and try to see things their way, even if I may not agree with them. If I think a person is a complete moron, I don't post it, as if I were talking to the person face to face.
Stereotyping is another thing that leads to this nastiness. Saying things like, "you're a liberal, and therefore an idiot" or "you're a Republican, and therefore a hypocrite" does not help get your point across, and in fact paints you in a bad light (by the way, feel free to swap liberal and Republican in that example - liberals can be hypocrites just as easily as Republicans can be idiots). There are as many opinions on this website as there are members, so sterotyping is uncalled for.
OK, I've spoken my mind.
If I wanted polite, I'd go spend the day chitty chatting with my mother over flowers! 
If everyone were to be polite to me on these forums I'd be nodding off from the shear boredom of it all! 
Okay, I’ll attempt to do this in an orderly manner since so much has gone on since my last post.
First Cariblue,
Milk information, just do a little search for “milk production” and you can find sites such as http://www.foodsci.uoguelph.ca/dairyedu/biosynthesis.html it is just a school so you might not find the data up to PETA standards. I like Dogpile to search with because it hits several engines at once.
Next Sxy,
We might disagree at times but I so loved your input. Timely and it lit up my heart. Thank ya girl for shedding the obvious light upon some.
Vraiblonde,
“If you would try to keep the language at a minimum, it would be appreciated.” What the hell does that mean?
You know this old ignorant redneck doesn’t know what these citified folk are talking about. Even though I have no problem placing my words in correct grammatical position, spell properly, and research what I talk about before putting my foot deep within my mouth. Unlike some.
Now to my two new friends of limited mental capacity.
Those that have chosen to bring heritage, threats, insults and other juvenile ploys into a discussion about a circus. Your methodology of discussion is equivalent to your ability to comprehend that you are doing no good whatsoever. You shout that the circuses are abusing the animals and that we shouldn’t support them. You do not cite with any specificity were the operators have been convicted of anything. One clown was charged with a criminal act, but can you show the nexus between that act and what it is you and PETA protest?
Next, if you were sincere in your approach you would have been acting well before this became sanctioned by the county and attempted your informing of the people that can control this activity. You aren’t activists you are reactionaries. Those that decide with the heart and not the head.
Throughout this all I have said, other then the bantering with you, is that I will support the circus because I see that they need the money just to offer the opportunity to keep these animals fed. The boycott is what I think is a stupid idea. However your limited mental processes are such that you shallowly only saw dissention and attacked.
Now to each of you independently,
Mark,
You tired of me? Get a life, I‘ve been here for quite a few years and some little “dweeb” like you won’t chase me off. Don’t think I was born here either, granted I have spent a lot of time here and plan on being here for quite a few more years so you might as well get use to it. Probably have more of the world under my belt then you can imagine, probably have a higher IQ then you realize also (I know mine, do you even know yours?) and my folks of are a caliber that are beyond reproach by some little sniveling butt dragging punk like you. Next I suppose you’ll call me out. Come on down, boy, I’m not going anywhere. I ain’t afraid of fighting, don’t start them but don’t run away from them either. I’ll take my teeth out before we start.
Animal Lover,
What can I say about you. You want to explain something to me? Try, go ahead, it makes for some fun seeing how closed minded you are in your way of thinking. Not to mention your approach here. You think I don’t see your concern, well trust me I understand it fully. My appreciation of wildlife, domestic animals and life in general are beyond your limited comprehensive capability. You are not dealing with who you think you are.
Someone tells Mark “screw yourself”, then I say it my way and I offend you. It appears that you have a problem with me as both phrases meant the same thing. Yeah, I know how to take care of myself, but unlike you I don’t need batteries and plastic for satisfaction. You probably use more then one at the same time. And as far as opinions, is it your contention that I can’t speak out about your opinion? Sounds somewhat hypocritical for a supposedly educated person.
Your description of me wasn’t very close. You can ask as some of the posters have met me and know for sure that I am far from bald, hair on my extremities is minimal, I dress well and typically have my shirt tucked in. Who have you been hanging with? Yeah, I love hunting, but not a single trophy hangs on my walls. Why take an old buck when a young one is so much better to eat. If it bothers you that I eat meat get over it, I’m not by myself. I also like the wild game, my kills are clean and I use what I take and only take what I will use. Deer meat is leaner so it is obviously healthier, at least my doctor prefers that I eat it. And guess what, I did all the work to get it to. Please, if you can, make that wrong?
Republican, nope. Registered Democrat, with a mind of my own. Yeah I know a strange concept isn’t it? And you call me ignorant. I did vote for GW but look what the Democrats had done the previous eight years and what they were sending up. Does that make me blind to everything he has done that I don’t agree with? No. There just isn’t much that has pissed me off other then the snowmobiles in Yellowstone. I wrote a letter, did you? Hell no, you’re a fair weather soldier. You only fight when you can be safe and hide, like you do under your forum handle. I stand behind my opinion and want you to know I said it. Arrogant, yeah, ignorant, don’t think so. Don’t drink either, boy you sure aren’t good at this are you? I also don’t own a pickup or have a Rebel Flag. Guess you scored about a zero, which probably indicates functioning of other areas in your logical processing. I think who you were describing is the man of your dreams sweetheart. The one you deserve for having such a shallow mind and heart.
If these animals are being abused as you suggest then go to the circus get proof and have them arrested. It’s time for you to put up or shut up. If you had a real desire to fix the problem you would know how to go about it. I could, can you?
Vraiblonde, was it of suitable language for you?
(Edited by Ken King at 7:33 pm on April 23, 2002)
(Edited by Ken King at 7:34 pm on April 23, 2002)
First Cariblue,
Milk information, just do a little search for “milk production” and you can find sites such as http://www.foodsci.uoguelph.ca/dairyedu/biosynthesis.html it is just a school so you might not find the data up to PETA standards. I like Dogpile to search with because it hits several engines at once.
Next Sxy,
We might disagree at times but I so loved your input. Timely and it lit up my heart. Thank ya girl for shedding the obvious light upon some.
Vraiblonde,
“If you would try to keep the language at a minimum, it would be appreciated.” What the hell does that mean?
You know this old ignorant redneck doesn’t know what these citified folk are talking about. Even though I have no problem placing my words in correct grammatical position, spell properly, and research what I talk about before putting my foot deep within my mouth. Unlike some. Now to my two new friends of limited mental capacity.
Those that have chosen to bring heritage, threats, insults and other juvenile ploys into a discussion about a circus. Your methodology of discussion is equivalent to your ability to comprehend that you are doing no good whatsoever. You shout that the circuses are abusing the animals and that we shouldn’t support them. You do not cite with any specificity were the operators have been convicted of anything. One clown was charged with a criminal act, but can you show the nexus between that act and what it is you and PETA protest?
Next, if you were sincere in your approach you would have been acting well before this became sanctioned by the county and attempted your informing of the people that can control this activity. You aren’t activists you are reactionaries. Those that decide with the heart and not the head.
Throughout this all I have said, other then the bantering with you, is that I will support the circus because I see that they need the money just to offer the opportunity to keep these animals fed. The boycott is what I think is a stupid idea. However your limited mental processes are such that you shallowly only saw dissention and attacked.
Now to each of you independently,
Mark,
You tired of me? Get a life, I‘ve been here for quite a few years and some little “dweeb” like you won’t chase me off. Don’t think I was born here either, granted I have spent a lot of time here and plan on being here for quite a few more years so you might as well get use to it. Probably have more of the world under my belt then you can imagine, probably have a higher IQ then you realize also (I know mine, do you even know yours?) and my folks of are a caliber that are beyond reproach by some little sniveling butt dragging punk like you. Next I suppose you’ll call me out. Come on down, boy, I’m not going anywhere. I ain’t afraid of fighting, don’t start them but don’t run away from them either. I’ll take my teeth out before we start.
Animal Lover,
What can I say about you. You want to explain something to me? Try, go ahead, it makes for some fun seeing how closed minded you are in your way of thinking. Not to mention your approach here. You think I don’t see your concern, well trust me I understand it fully. My appreciation of wildlife, domestic animals and life in general are beyond your limited comprehensive capability. You are not dealing with who you think you are.
Someone tells Mark “screw yourself”, then I say it my way and I offend you. It appears that you have a problem with me as both phrases meant the same thing. Yeah, I know how to take care of myself, but unlike you I don’t need batteries and plastic for satisfaction. You probably use more then one at the same time. And as far as opinions, is it your contention that I can’t speak out about your opinion? Sounds somewhat hypocritical for a supposedly educated person.
Your description of me wasn’t very close. You can ask as some of the posters have met me and know for sure that I am far from bald, hair on my extremities is minimal, I dress well and typically have my shirt tucked in. Who have you been hanging with? Yeah, I love hunting, but not a single trophy hangs on my walls. Why take an old buck when a young one is so much better to eat. If it bothers you that I eat meat get over it, I’m not by myself. I also like the wild game, my kills are clean and I use what I take and only take what I will use. Deer meat is leaner so it is obviously healthier, at least my doctor prefers that I eat it. And guess what, I did all the work to get it to. Please, if you can, make that wrong?
Republican, nope. Registered Democrat, with a mind of my own. Yeah I know a strange concept isn’t it? And you call me ignorant. I did vote for GW but look what the Democrats had done the previous eight years and what they were sending up. Does that make me blind to everything he has done that I don’t agree with? No. There just isn’t much that has pissed me off other then the snowmobiles in Yellowstone. I wrote a letter, did you? Hell no, you’re a fair weather soldier. You only fight when you can be safe and hide, like you do under your forum handle. I stand behind my opinion and want you to know I said it. Arrogant, yeah, ignorant, don’t think so. Don’t drink either, boy you sure aren’t good at this are you? I also don’t own a pickup or have a Rebel Flag. Guess you scored about a zero, which probably indicates functioning of other areas in your logical processing. I think who you were describing is the man of your dreams sweetheart. The one you deserve for having such a shallow mind and heart.
If these animals are being abused as you suggest then go to the circus get proof and have them arrested. It’s time for you to put up or shut up. If you had a real desire to fix the problem you would know how to go about it. I could, can you?
Vraiblonde, was it of suitable language for you?
(Edited by Ken King at 7:33 pm on April 23, 2002)
(Edited by Ken King at 7:34 pm on April 23, 2002)
That likes to chase squirrels!
Cariblue,
Full head of hair, approaching shoulder length, full beard, albeit gray, good quantity on the chest, developing a nice ring around and over the shoulders, continuous new growth on the ears (real irritating), just not much towards the knuckles as some think I should have. I’m not quite an ape, but the wife sure likes snuggling me and running her hands through my hair.
Full head of hair, approaching shoulder length, full beard, albeit gray, good quantity on the chest, developing a nice ring around and over the shoulders, continuous new growth on the ears (real irritating), just not much towards the knuckles as some think I should have. I’m not quite an ape, but the wife sure likes snuggling me and running her hands through my hair.
Now see, Ken? Doesn't it feel good to offer up a reasonable, mature response rather than just blasting someone? Don't you feel good about yourself? Hell, Mark had to call me an idiot and stupid several times before I told him to screw himself. Self-control is what separates man from animals. 
Jimmy and Cariblue, tomorrow I'm going to start a new thread and tell you why there is so much liberal bashing going on, not just in here, but all over the US. And apparently they're getting sick of liberalism in France, too, if you can believe that.
Barbra, sorry you're sick but glad you had something to keep you amused!
Jimmy and Cariblue, tomorrow I'm going to start a new thread and tell you why there is so much liberal bashing going on, not just in here, but all over the US. And apparently they're getting sick of liberalism in France, too, if you can believe that.
Barbra, sorry you're sick but glad you had something to keep you amused!
Vraiblonde,
No, it doesn't feel all that good. But I didn't want another feral cat thing going on, plus a wise blonde (unreal huh) once told me it is better to be nice to idiots, they go away quicker. BTW I am starting a new PETA organization. My PETA is People Eating Tasty Animals.
No, it doesn't feel all that good. But I didn't want another feral cat thing going on, plus a wise blonde (unreal huh) once told me it is better to be nice to idiots, they go away quicker. BTW I am starting a new PETA organization. My PETA is People Eating Tasty Animals.
Jimmy,
The facts are these: 1) There was never any facts presented on this topic that convinced me, or it appears anyone else that these animals are being abused. 2) Instead of trying to boycott the circus why doesn’t AL or Mark come up with some evidence and a plan and try and stop the abuse instead of bitching about it on here. Obviously they have not found any confirmation about the abuse or they would have already done this and we would not be talking about it anymore. 3) No one on this thread condones animals being abused!
The reason I get disgusted with liberals is because of discussions like this one. Liberals claim to be for the working class or lower class but instead they choice animals over human beings, a bit hypocritical if you ask me. One example of this is drilling for oil in various parts of the U.S. Instead of drilling in lets say, we will use Alaska as an example, all of the animal lovers and tree huggers stop it because it might hurt the animals or ruin the environment, which is not true. Instead of lowering the price of gas, creating jobs fore more people and putting money into the economy they are hindering the economy and the working class people by doing this and they just don’t see what they are doing, or maybe they do and that makes it worse. It is this kind of thinking that many people are getting sick of. If this offends you I guess you are embarrassed to be a liberal and I can not help you. I just called a spade a spade.
The facts are these: 1) There was never any facts presented on this topic that convinced me, or it appears anyone else that these animals are being abused. 2) Instead of trying to boycott the circus why doesn’t AL or Mark come up with some evidence and a plan and try and stop the abuse instead of bitching about it on here. Obviously they have not found any confirmation about the abuse or they would have already done this and we would not be talking about it anymore. 3) No one on this thread condones animals being abused!
The reason I get disgusted with liberals is because of discussions like this one. Liberals claim to be for the working class or lower class but instead they choice animals over human beings, a bit hypocritical if you ask me. One example of this is drilling for oil in various parts of the U.S. Instead of drilling in lets say, we will use Alaska as an example, all of the animal lovers and tree huggers stop it because it might hurt the animals or ruin the environment, which is not true. Instead of lowering the price of gas, creating jobs fore more people and putting money into the economy they are hindering the economy and the working class people by doing this and they just don’t see what they are doing, or maybe they do and that makes it worse. It is this kind of thinking that many people are getting sick of. If this offends you I guess you are embarrassed to be a liberal and I can not help you. I just called a spade a spade.
SxyPrincess
New Member
Wow---I'm in shock from Ken's response!
Can I join the new PETA???
Can I join the new PETA???
BL,
Ok. This "offended by everything" crap is gonna stop right now. I am probably the HARDEST person to offend on this board. Just as every Conservative isn't a bible toting fundamentalist, neither is every liberal a bleeding heart. I hate overtly political correctness and I think that many of these causy-liberal-types are grasping at straws trying to find SOMETHING to focus on and rebel against. These damn protests in DC about US support for the Colombian government. How many of them got all their info off of some news letter placed on their car along side a flier for the next time the Phish cover band is coming to town? Many of these kids, and lord knows I went to school with them, take this crap WAY too far much in the same way ultra-rightests take their moral agendas. I'm agianst EXTREMISM on either side. I just see it more often on these boards coming from the right and I react accordingly. HOWEVER---look here. We're on a board with some causy, do-nothing, "activist reactionaries" and I'm on the same side as you.
I think for myself. I don't subscribe to every liberal belief or each passing fad. I call myself a liberal because I am for social reform, freedom, general goodwill towards your fellow man. But don't mistake my politics for the ones Rush and Jerry and Pat are crusading against. Take some time, do some research and find out where someone is coming from before you lash out and accuse someone of being ashamed to be who they are. You're doing yourself, and your cause, a disservice by not doing so.
Ok. This "offended by everything" crap is gonna stop right now. I am probably the HARDEST person to offend on this board. Just as every Conservative isn't a bible toting fundamentalist, neither is every liberal a bleeding heart. I hate overtly political correctness and I think that many of these causy-liberal-types are grasping at straws trying to find SOMETHING to focus on and rebel against. These damn protests in DC about US support for the Colombian government. How many of them got all their info off of some news letter placed on their car along side a flier for the next time the Phish cover band is coming to town? Many of these kids, and lord knows I went to school with them, take this crap WAY too far much in the same way ultra-rightests take their moral agendas. I'm agianst EXTREMISM on either side. I just see it more often on these boards coming from the right and I react accordingly. HOWEVER---look here. We're on a board with some causy, do-nothing, "activist reactionaries" and I'm on the same side as you.
I think for myself. I don't subscribe to every liberal belief or each passing fad. I call myself a liberal because I am for social reform, freedom, general goodwill towards your fellow man. But don't mistake my politics for the ones Rush and Jerry and Pat are crusading against. Take some time, do some research and find out where someone is coming from before you lash out and accuse someone of being ashamed to be who they are. You're doing yourself, and your cause, a disservice by not doing so.
SxyPrincess
New Member
Not a problem, Ken, just as long as you where your "zebra" speedos!
SxyPrincess
New Member
Christy,
You must join us and wear your green butt floss!
You must join us and wear your green butt floss!
Look now - you all (Jimmy and BL) are messing up my future thread about why liberals get bashed.
Did you all notice that I've got over 1,000 posts on this board!?! It's embarrassing. I'm going to request my Forum Junkie status be replaced with "No Life Loser" and post under a different name. It'll be nice to be a Newbie again...or maybe I should just try for 2,000? Whaddaya think, folks? Go for the gold or start over?
Did you all notice that I've got over 1,000 posts on this board!?! It's embarrassing. I'm going to request my Forum Junkie status be replaced with "No Life Loser" and post under a different name. It'll be nice to be a Newbie again...or maybe I should just try for 2,000? Whaddaya think, folks? Go for the gold or start over?