Circus - No fun for animals
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Ken,
I have had about as much as i can take from you, and i was trying to be nice.
Obviously, there is just no getting through to you. You must be the typical southern maryland in-bred...all those years of in-breeding by your relatives has resulted in an IQ lower than the gutter in which you were crawled from.
You know this is an important subject and you drag it down to the level of your birthplace...
For stubborn idiots like you with your closed mind, there is just no hope, and to be honest Ken, you are not worth the time and trouble.. People like you should just try to blend in with the background and try not to talk to much...
I have had about as much as i can take from you, and i was trying to be nice.
Obviously, there is just no getting through to you. You must be the typical southern maryland in-bred...all those years of in-breeding by your relatives has resulted in an IQ lower than the gutter in which you were crawled from.
You know this is an important subject and you drag it down to the level of your birthplace...
For stubborn idiots like you with your closed mind, there is just no hope, and to be honest Ken, you are not worth the time and trouble.. People like you should just try to blend in with the background and try not to talk to much...
I think the circus is put on by the Lions club or some other organization as a fund raiser. John Richards has nothing to do with it other than being fair board president.
Personally I don't believe in the circus, I don't go to them, and I never took my child to one. Even when she was young she could understand the concept of animal abuse. And I don't belong to or support PETA, so please don't go there. In reading the posts I think most of you are behaving rather childishly with the name calling. That really isn't the way to get a point across.
Personally I don't believe in the circus, I don't go to them, and I never took my child to one. Even when she was young she could understand the concept of animal abuse. And I don't belong to or support PETA, so please don't go there. In reading the posts I think most of you are behaving rather childishly with the name calling. That really isn't the way to get a point across.
AL and Mark,
How about instead of trying to get everyone against the circus, you work on trying to get circuses to act more responsibly? There is a trial going on (mabye it's over?) about a handler from Ringling Bros. who abused an elephant named Asia. This is an excerpt from the article:
"Gebel, son of legendary animal trainer Gunther Gebel-Williams, is accused of using an ankus -- a stick with a metal hook -- to strike the female Asian elephant when she hesitated before entering the ring at Compaq Center in San Jose on Aug. 25, said Prosecutor Carolyn Powell. A San Jose police sergeant and two Humane Society officers routinely monitoring the circus reported seeing the elephant suddenly rush forward. The said they later found two nickel-sized puncture wounds behind her left leg."
So now, that f-d-up a-hole is on trial and he should be. I'm NOT for hurting animals just for our entertainment. But animals perform in shows and learn tricks in places and are treated well by the staff in many other areas. What about Disney, Sea World, the Aquarium etc. who have pretty good reps for treating animals well? Of course, some animals don't thrive in captivity and that has to be taken into account but there are some animals that live much longer in captivity so that's not a good arguement either. It seems from the above artice that people are monitoring the circuses and when abuse is noticed, it IS dealt with. So as long as that remains the case, why not allow the damn circus to come down so that some kids can some fun stuff?
And Mark, if you're such an "Activist" what were you doing while you were "witnessing all the abuse" while working at the circus? You couldn't go up and say anything? You couldn't report anyone? Were you stuck in a little car?
How about instead of trying to get everyone against the circus, you work on trying to get circuses to act more responsibly? There is a trial going on (mabye it's over?) about a handler from Ringling Bros. who abused an elephant named Asia. This is an excerpt from the article:
"Gebel, son of legendary animal trainer Gunther Gebel-Williams, is accused of using an ankus -- a stick with a metal hook -- to strike the female Asian elephant when she hesitated before entering the ring at Compaq Center in San Jose on Aug. 25, said Prosecutor Carolyn Powell. A San Jose police sergeant and two Humane Society officers routinely monitoring the circus reported seeing the elephant suddenly rush forward. The said they later found two nickel-sized puncture wounds behind her left leg."
So now, that f-d-up a-hole is on trial and he should be. I'm NOT for hurting animals just for our entertainment. But animals perform in shows and learn tricks in places and are treated well by the staff in many other areas. What about Disney, Sea World, the Aquarium etc. who have pretty good reps for treating animals well? Of course, some animals don't thrive in captivity and that has to be taken into account but there are some animals that live much longer in captivity so that's not a good arguement either. It seems from the above artice that people are monitoring the circuses and when abuse is noticed, it IS dealt with. So as long as that remains the case, why not allow the damn circus to come down so that some kids can some fun stuff?
And Mark, if you're such an "Activist" what were you doing while you were "witnessing all the abuse" while working at the circus? You couldn't go up and say anything? You couldn't report anyone? Were you stuck in a little car?
animal lover
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Ken -
I'm sorry that I have to spell this out for you, as I assumed that everyone would understand what I meant the first time I said it. When I said that cows are kept pregnant, I obviously did not mean that there is a calf inside of them at all times. Thank you though for informing all of us about your day of cow research. Hope you learned something in the process.
As far as telling Mark to self fornicate, I'm sure that is a matter that you will not have to research on the internet, as you are more than likely well versed in the matter. God forbid someone have an opinion that is not yours.
I can picture you, sitting at your desk. Fat hairy fingers typing away on the keyboard... T-shirt that doesn't quite reach your pants... balding... Bright orange hunters cap sitting beside you. Do you have animal heads on your wall. Ahh yes, the great white hunter. Republician too I bet. All for good GW aren'tcha? Well, don't worry there Ken. Those fancy pants liberals aren't gonna getcha this time. You are probably right. The circus will still come to town, and small minded indivduals like yourselves will visit it. I can hear you wooping and "hollering", so impressed by those clever animals... Who knew that bears could ride bikes? Betcha never saw that on your huntin' trips. Of course you probably didn't see much on your huntin' trips, being that nice big cooler of Bud was sitting beside ya to keep ya company. Just another good ol boy. Its good that you are here. The rest of us can learn from you. One day, when all of the good ol boys are gone. The rest of us can look back and laugh. Poor Ken. Times almost up. Time to take the shot gun out of the back of your pick up, let your wife buy some shoes, and take down the rebel flag.
I'm sorry that I have to spell this out for you, as I assumed that everyone would understand what I meant the first time I said it. When I said that cows are kept pregnant, I obviously did not mean that there is a calf inside of them at all times. Thank you though for informing all of us about your day of cow research. Hope you learned something in the process.
As far as telling Mark to self fornicate, I'm sure that is a matter that you will not have to research on the internet, as you are more than likely well versed in the matter. God forbid someone have an opinion that is not yours.
I can picture you, sitting at your desk. Fat hairy fingers typing away on the keyboard... T-shirt that doesn't quite reach your pants... balding... Bright orange hunters cap sitting beside you. Do you have animal heads on your wall. Ahh yes, the great white hunter. Republician too I bet. All for good GW aren'tcha? Well, don't worry there Ken. Those fancy pants liberals aren't gonna getcha this time. You are probably right. The circus will still come to town, and small minded indivduals like yourselves will visit it. I can hear you wooping and "hollering", so impressed by those clever animals... Who knew that bears could ride bikes? Betcha never saw that on your huntin' trips. Of course you probably didn't see much on your huntin' trips, being that nice big cooler of Bud was sitting beside ya to keep ya company. Just another good ol boy. Its good that you are here. The rest of us can learn from you. One day, when all of the good ol boys are gone. The rest of us can look back and laugh. Poor Ken. Times almost up. Time to take the shot gun out of the back of your pick up, let your wife buy some shoes, and take down the rebel flag.
SxyPrincess
New Member
I remember many years ago, growing up in Botswana, my parents gave me an elephant named "Dumbo." That grey monster would stand on his head, twirl on one leg and jump through rings of fire. No, I never taught him this...just so happened it was passed down...genetics I guess.
So, I move to the states and bring "Dumbo" with me. One day, the owner of Cole Bros. saw me riding "Dumbo" down Rt. 5. He really liked "Dumbo" and even though it broke my heart to let him go, I sold "Dumbo" to that nice man.
Please don't ban the circus from St. Mary's county---that is the only time I get to see "Dumbo." I can't have my heart broken again!
So, I move to the states and bring "Dumbo" with me. One day, the owner of Cole Bros. saw me riding "Dumbo" down Rt. 5. He really liked "Dumbo" and even though it broke my heart to let him go, I sold "Dumbo" to that nice man.
Please don't ban the circus from St. Mary's county---that is the only time I get to see "Dumbo." I can't have my heart broken again!
Jimmy,
I never said that I was an activist, I read the post by Animal Lover... and i thought that as so many of you were arguing with AL whether or not the abuse that the circus carries out is true, I would let you know what it is really like..
and I did try and report the abuse but nothing was done....
I am just trying to let you all know that AL is correct and that the circus really does abuse and horiffically beat the animals.. why do we want to support that
I never said that I was an activist, I read the post by Animal Lover... and i thought that as so many of you were arguing with AL whether or not the abuse that the circus carries out is true, I would let you know what it is really like..
and I did try and report the abuse but nothing was done....
I am just trying to let you all know that AL is correct and that the circus really does abuse and horiffically beat the animals.. why do we want to support that
jlabsher
Sorry about that chief.
I think that animal rights activists who try to force their opinions on others are wrong. Dead and simple. Let me go to the circus and eat ribs in front of vegans while I'm doing it. The rest can move to Montgomery County with all the other fun killing liberals (who tried to outlaw smoking at home!) Since SOMD is rural as has been evidenced by the recent fight in St Marys county board, I think those who would appreciate a circus outweigh the vocal minority who wouldn't. They understand that humans and animals are different, we should treat them good, but not to our detriment. I have smacked my dog when she snapped at my child, but I also have hugged her 5 minutes later, should I be considered evil?
I don't think animal abuse happens very often in circuses, you can train them easier with positive reinforcement. People also beat kids and old folks, there are bad apples in every bunch. The animal rights people should move to Oregon and live in a commune, eat berries and starve in the winter, if they don't freeze from wearing only natural fibers. Oh they can't grow cotton because it would upset the environment. Common sense is what is called for, not extremism.
I don't think animal abuse happens very often in circuses, you can train them easier with positive reinforcement. People also beat kids and old folks, there are bad apples in every bunch. The animal rights people should move to Oregon and live in a commune, eat berries and starve in the winter, if they don't freeze from wearing only natural fibers. Oh they can't grow cotton because it would upset the environment. Common sense is what is called for, not extremism.
You may have wanted to do a little asking around about his background before guessing. You are so in for it now! 
S
ShellyCW
Guest
I can't say that all the wrangling has changed my opinion of the circus. I still won't go--clown buggery, animal abuse, and expensive food, oh my.
I think this thread has been more entertaining than any circus.
We could cancel the circus and put somd.com posters in a ring. :stooges: Then everybody's happy!
I think this thread has been more entertaining than any circus.
We could cancel the circus and put somd.com posters in a ring. :stooges: Then everybody's happy!
ShellyCW on 3:53 pm on April 23, 2002[br]
I think this thread has been more entertaining than any circus.
ROTFLMAO--Now that might be worth watching!
Every time I get bored I come back here to read the latest ruckus! 
Jlabsher,
I agree with you 100%. You have to remember you are dealing with some real idiots here, or shall I say “liberals”. They believe in the government totally controlling us because we are to stupid to figure anything out ourselves. These people are such hypocrites they will probably go to the circus anyway..
I agree with you 100%. You have to remember you are dealing with some real idiots here, or shall I say “liberals”. They believe in the government totally controlling us because we are to stupid to figure anything out ourselves. These people are such hypocrites they will probably go to the circus anyway..
"Clown buggery" 
And I'm STILL not going to the circus, either. But I might go for the somd.com forum pay-per-view.
And, Ken, I'm sure you have a few choice words for AL and Mark, who insulted every one of us with his "inbred" comments. If you would try to keep the language at a minimum, it would be appreciated.
And I'm STILL not going to the circus, either. But I might go for the somd.com forum pay-per-view.And, Ken, I'm sure you have a few choice words for AL and Mark, who insulted every one of us with his "inbred" comments. If you would try to keep the language at a minimum, it would be appreciated.
AL,
As far as your stupid statement at the end of your posts. You are going to sit here and tell me that you have never eaten any meat or worn any close made out of any kind of animal. I doubt it. So once again you are a typical liberal or shall I say hypocrite.
As far as your stupid statement at the end of your posts. You are going to sit here and tell me that you have never eaten any meat or worn any close made out of any kind of animal. I doubt it. So once again you are a typical liberal or shall I say hypocrite.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
I find the deep emotions for animals rather interesting.
On the one hand we have allegations of criminal behavior that must, MUST result in a circus being eliminated. I neither see nor hear anything regarding making it, the circus, acceptable and a responsible follower of sound rules. Certainly that is because one side sees animal captivity, in any form, as anathema, yes?
Put simply, is it unacceptable to the anti circus folks to have a circus, with animals doing tricks, in any form, including stringent rules for animal treatment?
On the other hand, the romanticism of wild life is interesting to. I would guess that it's great being the king of the jungle or an elephant, IE, one of the larger creatures. Being a smaller critter is probably tougher.
Some of the most heartbreaking footage I have ever seen, after human suffering of course, was of a pack of hyenas systematically distracting a wild boar as she tried to ferry her young from one hiding place to another. They got all but one. Ah, nature.
Another one was the obvious longing a herd of elephants did when they lost a member to disease. They constantly looked for her. I think the film guys said they keep this up for months and will recognize the remains forever.
Mega death due to severe drought is pretty difficult to watch to. The young always go first.
I wanted to kill those hyenas, right up until the part where, in a later segment, the same pack messed with a lion. He ran the mother down and mauled her like a rag doll. Just snapped her neck and left her to rot. Just another day in paradise.
Point being, it is not impossible to imagine an animal suffering and being conscious of it to some point. It is also very easy for me to see many animals as having it pretty good in a circus.
Rodeos are noted for taking excellent care of their animals. So again, is it simply unacceptable, no matter what, or, given good care, health, exercise feeding and all, is it OK to have animals living under mans control?
I'd hate to feel compelled to get rid of all the chew toys and tell the cats to hit the bricks. Or worse, they kick me out of their house...
On the one hand we have allegations of criminal behavior that must, MUST result in a circus being eliminated. I neither see nor hear anything regarding making it, the circus, acceptable and a responsible follower of sound rules. Certainly that is because one side sees animal captivity, in any form, as anathema, yes?
Put simply, is it unacceptable to the anti circus folks to have a circus, with animals doing tricks, in any form, including stringent rules for animal treatment?
On the other hand, the romanticism of wild life is interesting to. I would guess that it's great being the king of the jungle or an elephant, IE, one of the larger creatures. Being a smaller critter is probably tougher.
Some of the most heartbreaking footage I have ever seen, after human suffering of course, was of a pack of hyenas systematically distracting a wild boar as she tried to ferry her young from one hiding place to another. They got all but one. Ah, nature.
Another one was the obvious longing a herd of elephants did when they lost a member to disease. They constantly looked for her. I think the film guys said they keep this up for months and will recognize the remains forever.
Mega death due to severe drought is pretty difficult to watch to. The young always go first.
I wanted to kill those hyenas, right up until the part where, in a later segment, the same pack messed with a lion. He ran the mother down and mauled her like a rag doll. Just snapped her neck and left her to rot. Just another day in paradise.
Point being, it is not impossible to imagine an animal suffering and being conscious of it to some point. It is also very easy for me to see many animals as having it pretty good in a circus.
Rodeos are noted for taking excellent care of their animals. So again, is it simply unacceptable, no matter what, or, given good care, health, exercise feeding and all, is it OK to have animals living under mans control?
I'd hate to feel compelled to get rid of all the chew toys and tell the cats to hit the bricks. Or worse, they kick me out of their house...
God...again with the Liberal bashing...and you all wonder why I get so defensive on these forums. She doesn't speak for all liberals. And, by YOUR arguement, BL, they should go to, Montgomery County with the...how did you say it..."Fun-sucking-liberals"...then, you blast them with the hypocritical statement that they are doing this because THEY don't like it. They could turn around to you and say "well, just because you LIKE IT doesn't make it right...let's keep this going just because YOU LIKE IT. and you'd be right where you THINK they are....try coming up with an arguement that uses facts and reasons instead of just spewing anti-liberal sentiment in an arguement where THIS liberal AGREES with you....