Coat Color Studies Aid Health Research, Breeding C

[partyhard]

BlissfulJumper...completely agree with what you're saying!!!! In the post that you referenced me, that quote was not from me, rather was said by someone else and I was trying to quote them! I never post here and did not take the time to figure out how to do so properly. But yes, what you said was the same thing I was saying when I was replying to that particular quote!

 

[BlissfulJumper]

BlissfulJumper...completely agree with what you're saying!!!! In the post that you referenced me, that quote was not from me, rather was said by someone else and I was trying to quote them! I never post here and did not take the time to figure out how to do so properly. But yes, what you said was the same thing I was saying when I was replying to that particular quote!

Ok. I get a little offended like most breed show riders when people who know nothing about QH tell us we don't do have to do anything on our horse and that they are "dead". I wish my mare was dead with her head that low

 

[CountryLady]

Sorry but I must be one of those peanut roller people. How about you come down to my house tomorrow, ride my mare who's head is level at the poll, rounds her back, uses her hind end to move, and not stay heavy on the front end and you tell me how hard it is to get it right. Just because our horses have low heads doesn't mean they aren't paying attention, trust me they are!

It is much more comfortable for a horse when they round their back and use their hind( any knowledgable horse person will say that) have a head that is to high or behind the verical causes the horse to hollow its back which isn't a good thing. Level poll incase you don't know means having a straight line fron hind to ear. I'll attach a photo of a level or clost level poll so you can notice. It's actually more work to have a horse properly do this and a rider also. Most draw reins and such really aren't used when you go out to Breed shows they are there as a reminder. But most Anti-QH people just assume everything and talk sh!t about use.

Let me tell you too, I use to be a jumper until recently and I like doing both but my new QH training as helped me in the hunter ring.

Oh, and before you even ask.. I DO BELIEVE IN INJECTIONS when it is needed for a heavy show horse since it HELPS preserves the joint now!

Having the horse level at the poll is much different that what the “peanut roller” of that past was eluding too. The "peanut roller" is a thing of the past and no longer acceptable.
Your picture is of correct form.

"Headset" trends
The sport of western pleasure was criticized in the past on account of an extremely low head position many judges were favoring in the stock horse breeds, known as the "peanut roller." In this head set, horses would carry their heads with the poll far below the level of their withers. This was a problem because it also forced the horse to travel at an extremely slow pace on the "forehand" (carrying too much weight on their front legs instead of rocking it correctly back onto their hind legs). Over long periods of time, moving in this highly artificial frame could cause soundness problems in some horses, and even a sound horse could not properly bring its hindquarters under its body when traveling forward.
This fad and its problems created a poor view of the discipline as a whole, especially by competitors in other equestrian sports.


The industry has since been praised on its actions to change the "peanut roller" fad. In the USEF, this constituted implementing specific rules, including a strict requirement that a horse must have its poll no lower than the height of its withers, or, in the case of the AQHA, a rule stating that the ideal gait shall be performed with a "level topline." Additional rules make an extreme headset impossible by asking exhibitors to extend their horse's jog during a class. In the case of the AQHA, which took particularly strong action to reverse the trend, videos were sent out to all licensed judges to demonstrate what was and was not correct, and the materials also made available to the general public.

 

[persimmoncf]

I have owned and cared for other peoples horses all of my life and during the 33 years that I have cared for horses I have had relationships with 4 vet practices on a regular basis. I am very much aware that they too have privacy acts and do not divulge info on area barns so with that I will tell you again that I did not call any vet requiring your ill horses.


Being as I board others horses it is my responsibility to limit any foreseen health risk. So if someone that houses a horse or visits with their horse to my facility makes it known to me that day that they are ridding in a group that includes horses from a barn had recently been told of having infectious issues it is my duty tell them...my duty to all of the horses here on the farm.

I could of gone here and announced it would that of been better??? Don’t bother answering that cause I will not respond.

 

[TCF42]

Why? No one reading this thread even cares.

I'm interested to see, after wading through 16 pages of this stuff.

 

[buttercupp]

I would have been 16 and way too busy with student council, honor society, cheerleading and dating my eventual hubby to be considering breeding horses. Although I did ride, and enjoy horses quite a lot (which included excercising a neighbors Olympic TB and QH). Oh I forgot to mention 1st runner up for Homecoming queen.

I here a ABBA song coming on

 

[Sadielady]

I would have been 16 and way too busy with student council, honor society, cheerleading and dating my eventual hubby to be considering breeding horses. Although I did ride, and enjoy horses quite a lot (which included excercising a neighbors Olympic TB and QH). Oh I forgot to mention 1st runner up for Homecoming queen.

I here a ABBA song coming on

Isn't 1st runner up, just the second loser. I am sorry I couldn't help myself!!!

 

[fredsaid2]

Um...when did you visit or have the opportunity to examine or better still, ride my breeding stock?

Do you know how old the oldest baby is who lists me as breeder?

And do you know how many i have coming in 2010?

Guess I missed seeing this....

I have not viewed your breeding stock, I have viewed a couple of the results and so my opinion. Course, it's just my opinion.

Your oldest baby with you as breeder? No idea.

What you have coming in 2010? No idea.

You mentioned exercising a neighbor's Olympic TB. Which one would that be, horse that is? I have to admit surprise at an owner of that caliber horse letting anyone other than a professional groom or rider near their horse.

 

[WWWDD]

You mentioned exercising a neighbor's Olympic TB. Which one would that be, horse that is?

 

[CountryLady]

Are You Color Blind?

Excerpt:
There’s an old horseman’s saying that, “a good horse is a good color,” meaning that qualities like a horse’s work ethic, athletic talent and disposition are what matter most, not the color of its coat. But let’s be honest. Most of us have a favorite color and if we can find a suitable horse that happens to be that special hue then it’s even more desirable.

There’s nothing wrong with favoring a certain color of horse. Entire registries owe their existence to the allure of remarkably marked or colored horses. Without breeders and riders who passionately prefer certain colors, the world of horses would be a nearly monochromatic scene of solid bay and chestnut… not that there’s anything wrong with a horse in a plain brown wrapper. They have their fans, too!

HI Spy: Are You Color Blind? - HorseChannel.com

 

[Bigpops92]

My Gosh......17 pages of this endless crap. You really need to get a life. How can anyone run a breeding farm when all they do is argue on the forums?

 

[Duckz]

My Gosh......17 pages of this endless crap. You really need to get a life. How can anyone run a breeding farm when all they do is argue on the forums?

 

[paintedpony1234]

Bone Development and Appropriate Training Ages

I would have been 16 and way too busy with student council, honor society, cheerleading and dating my eventual hubby to be considering breeding horses. Although I did ride, and enjoy horses quite a lot (which included excercising a neighbors Olympic TB and QH). Oh I forgot to mention 1st runner up for Homecoming queen.



My oldest ROCKY foal is 2.5 yrs. I bought his mother, bred to a stallion I had chosen. It took 4 (i've had him over a year, so the last year doesn't count - my bad) years of research and 2 gelded colts (One is my daughter's best friend, and one is now for sale as under saddle) who weren't what I wanted in a stallion to choose Hondo. Yes everyone has an opinion.

Oh and regarding my yearling, who happens to have foundation, hard to find bloodlines AND be the only homozygous black Silver Classic Champagne in the Rocky registry, in addition to being among the handfull of homozygous black Classics in ANY breed...he is coming along nicely and showing a saddle rack at liberty. I already have a list waiting to use his services when he is certified and set up at Harris Paints for AI. I'm well pleased. Had he shown pace, he would have been sold to someone who could use him, OR snip-snipped and sold as a high dollar gelding. But thanks for letting me share.



Why? No one reading this thread even cares. My actions have already spoken by going the extra mile to take the required training, and attend enough breed seminars to then pass the test to become a qualified Examiner for the breed, and my stallion has already been rewarded for his quality, from someone who DOES know the breed, so I've got nothing to prove to you - who isn't even acquainted with gait or the structure that achieves it.

Plus it's WAY too much fun letting you pick at me to try to make some valid point....so please....do carry on it gives people something entertaining in the horsey forums again. Now lets see if you can do it without attacking me personally. But before you do, I would suggest that you come ride some of my (barnyard) horses. That is if you'd really like to feel what the different ways of going are, and find out why i've chosen the ones I have. I have several who can accomodate you, including Hondo. NOTHING as big as Peanut but certainly big enough to carry you in style. Or you can watch me ride them to show their way of going. Nothing like getting up close and personal with a Rocky (HEY then you could say mine are really sweet too!). Just send me a PM it's a Holiday weekend.

If you'd rather not, Hondo and Comanche the 2.5 y/o dark chocolate and white colt that I gelded in June because he isn't stallion quality IMO (even though he has a beautiful pedigree), will both be at the SMTR Judged ride next weekend (the 18th). Watch them in action and what you see will be smooth riding horses who don't need an accomplished horse person to sort out multi-gaited-ness.

The majority of buyers who come to me are either beginners, or people who've been hurt on horses and want a horse to feel safe riding, so a fast moving horse (ie: something from the show ring retired or otherwise) is NOT what they want. A pure gaited, simple to operate horse fits that bill nicely and is the standard to which i breed/raise and train.

And thanks to all of you who have taken a moment to send me a PM and also those who have called me. I appreciate the support.

Maybe you should do less talking on these forums and more reading from our country's finest agricultural education institutions. I know from a fact that this crazy wahoo attitude of breaking and riding horses at a young age affects their bone and soft tissue development.

I took a mare on from someone locally when I was 15 who had been broken and used for trail riding at the age of 2-3. I received the mare for free because she was bucking everyone off, well the adults that were on her were too big for her undeveloped back. She was a tennessee quarter pony cross and anyone who has read the bone development studies know that gaited horses take longer for the bone density to reach 90 % and their soft tissue development to support that bone structure isn't matured until age 6.

I took the mare and gave her time off then rebroke her so she could trust people again. Then I took her at 16 to a real Grand Prix dressage stable with real olympic coaches that came and gave clinics and all of the horses in the barn that I was responsible for grooming were worth more than the average home price in Southern Maryland. (I wasn't concerned with boys they are a waste of time at 16 but I was providing myself with real horse educational opportunities such as sponsored trips to FL)

I had a hard time developing my mare's hind end because at the age of 4 she was showing signs of weakness in her stifle and back that are concurrent with hard work (i.e. 10 year old race horse on the track at 4 years old). If you have any questions about how that can happen please feel free to visit my vet Kent Allen at Virginia Equine in Middleburg. He will be happy to walk you through different radiographs of horses in work at different ages.

The mare went on to win jumpers at the 3'6" level and winning training level events at only 14.1 hands but she always had a specific hind end strength training regiment to overcome the damage done in her younger years. At 16 I was more worried about rubbing liniment and DMSO on my ponies hind end then curling my hair for the football game so I could be homecoming queen. I went on to become homecoming queen in college and sold my pony to a rather wealthy family with a handicapped girl who wanted a personal therapy companion. I created a safe smooth gaited riding experience from a non-fancy thrown away pony because she didn't gait the or have the pretty color and she sold for more money than probably 4 of your horses..

Radiographic studies on the acquisition of bone mineral in horses from one
day of age to 27 years have shown that maximum bone mineral content (BMC) is
not achieved until the horse is six years old.

 

[paintedpony1234]

Following breed club guidelines to START UNDER SADDLE and CERTIFY as correct representations of the breed by a specific age, according to those guidelines does NOT consitute a crazy wahoo attitude of "breaking" and riding a horse.

Furthermore, their needs to be breed specific bone density studies in order to compare apples to apples. Bone density is different according to genetics. Iclandics and halfies are small horses, with a great deal of bone density, as are the mountain horses so i imagine those studies would be quite different than those of an arab or even a QH.



WHY must people make their posts a personal attack? (pack mentality again?) Your post would have been a terrific read, otherwise.

I do believe I've proven that others who are "revered" on this board also put horses under saddle at age 2 - horses from a breed with no guidelines requiring that it be done by a certain age, yet it's OK because those people are "special" somehow?

Not revering anyone who starts horses under saddle at any point in time. But I am proving that horses who are under 6 years old should be in a training routine fitted to their height and weight ratio with consideration to their bone density and their muscle and soft tissue development.

Dressage horses are started as young as 3 but they are not put under stress or required to do upper level movements until they are fully developed. i.e. good trainers are working them from the ground building from 10 mins to 20 mins.

I think last year's performance of Eight Belle's in the derby proved what happens when horses are worked heavily before their bodies can develop.

And you are certified by a "breed club" not a worldwide professionally recognized organization. And we are defining "start" under saddle to cantering, trail riding and showing.. The US Eventing Association has made the minimum age requirements for competing at age 4 and then age 5 for preliminary and age 6 for horses competing in intermediate.

And the USDF has restricted competition to 4 year olds and up.

Fillies and colts three years of age and under may only show as Sport Horse Prospects. Mares and stallions age four and over may only show in Breeding Stock classes. Geldings of any age may NOT show in breeding stock classes/categories. Geldings age three and under may only show in sport horse classes/categories

Not a personal attack but as a member of other professional organizations, any club that would recommend serious training below age 4 is viewed as a bunch of wahoos.

 

[HeavyChevy75]

Meaning ring only riding is boring. A lot of folks I know have never or are not comfortable riding out side of the arena /ring. What is the point of doing all that ring work if you don’t get out and use it?

I ride the majority of the time in the ring. I don't get bored with it because we are always working on a different skill for our discipline. OCCASIONALLY I will go on a trail ride with a small group of people. My horse and I take walks down the road to the water, and sometimes ride in the big pasture.

 

[CountryLady]

I ride the majority of the time in the ring. I don't get bored with it because we are always working on a different skill for our discipline. OCCASIONALLY I will go on a trail ride with a small group of people. My horse and I take walks down the road to the water, and sometimes ride in the big pasture.

That's cool! It is good to get out of the ring sometimes.

 

[paintedpony1234]

OMG I can't argue with stubborn.. no wonder you call yourself 'appy'

Why did the American indian ride Appaloosas to battle ? So they would be good and mad when they got there.

Well you posted a whole thread with a description of each of your horses and discussed their sales on this forum.. as to use that to prove your expertise. I just thought I would share with you how I train my horses and how much the sell for too.. I guess you can dish it out.. but you can't take it..

 

[Spicober]

quote"Why did the American indian ride Appaloosas to battle ? So they would be good and mad when they got there."


WHOA now.....Easy on the Apps! Ride em' before you knock um'. Sure there are a few "PAINT" opinions out there..LOL

 

[CountryLady]

I know from a fact that this crazy wahoo attitude of breaking and riding horses at a young age affects their bone and soft tissue development.

I took a mare on from someone locally when I was 15 who had been broken and used for trail riding at the age of 2-3.

I took the mare and gave her time off then rebroke her so she could trust people again.

Starting a horse under saddle and/or breaking: two different approaches to create a rideable horse?

 

[CountryLady]

quote"Why did the American indian ride Appaloosas to battle ? So they would be good and mad when they got there."


WHOA now.....Easy on the Apps! Ride em' before you knock um'. Sure there are a few "PAINT" opinions out there..LOL

DITTO!