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Cosmological argument for God
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Xaquin44
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toppick08
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Faith is great, but works are even better..kind of go hand in hand.......
Read the book of James.
Xaquin44
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Faith is great, but works are even better..kind of go hand in hand.......
Read the book of James.
I think I'm not following you here
can you give an example?
(no sarcasm)
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toppick08
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Xaquin44
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Open your Bible, and your heart....
been there done that, and it felt flat and forced.
guess I don't have the faith.
edit: and if there is a god, I certainly wouldn't presume to insult him or her by simply going through the motions.
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toppick08
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The Holy Ghost hasn't touched you yet.........or life has been too easy for you.........go to a friend's/family's funeral and see what is really important in THIS life...
Xaquin44
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The Holy Ghost hasn't touched you yet.........or life has been too easy for you.........go to a friend's/family's funeral and see what is really important in THIS life...
heh
been to both kinds of funeral. Also, I wouldn't call my life particularly -easy- .... I got through ok.
I know a lot of people who have it both better and worse then me.
If the holy ghost hasn't touched (ewww) me yet, it's hardly my fault.
good job giving bad advice to someone you don't know though ....
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toppick08
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I don't know you, but I like you...and will keep you in my prayers...
I've never met a stranger.
Xaquin44
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foodcritic
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tommyjones
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Just answer the questions from post 1....FOCUS, FOCUS
STAY ON TOPIC
the answer is that you have posted three chicken and egg questions that have no answer. each was discounted several pages ago.....
if there is a god, where was he before he created the universe?
foodcritic
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These are hardly chicken/egg questions....
Here is an outline of the argument:
1. The universe either had (a) a beginning or (b) no beginning.
2. If it had a beginning, the beginning was either (a) caused or (b) uncaused.
3. If it had a cause, the cause was either (a) personal or (b) not personal
Why not answer the first question and join the discussion? Instead of distracting from the issue.
This_person
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As previously stated:
This_person
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I've noticed that whenever I use science to discredit a "point" made by atheists, it always gets ignored..........
This_person
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No, that's not true at all. According to my statement, time as we understand it and are subject to it did not exist until the Big Bang. However, that does not preclude something that is not bound by our universe to have existed.
Look at it this way: time, space, matter, anti-matter, etc., are all functions of the universe we live in. Before there was a universe for us to live in doesn't exist, because time is an integral part of the universe. So, the question of where the matter came from, etc., before the Big Bang is like asking where the tree was before the seed was planted - it's a question that can't be answered because no answer would fit within the bounds of the question. All of our scientific knowledge, laws, understandings, theories, etc., fall apart earlier than 10e-43 seconds after the Big Bang. Before that, we have absolutely no concept of what happened, why, nor how.
So, is there an intelligent being that waived a hand and there it all was? Someone who transends all of our universal undertandings? Of course, any reasonable person would have to say that's as possible as any other guess, because there is no explaination of the origins of the universe that fits within our universe - it HAD to be something beyond, by definition.
This_person
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Remember when you say stuff like that that the one of the first things that priest did was ask the Pope to STOP talking about how the Big Bang was essentially a scientific way of explaining Genesis. He was very much against the idea of someone thinking his work as a university backed scientific researcher was religion based.
Einstien also fought against it on religious bigotry until he A) realized it was science based, and B) got over his ego regarding the "universal constant" enough to realize he'd been wrong.
I'm a little bit lost, which athiests point did you discredit?I've noticed that whenever I use science to discredit a "point" made by atheists, it always gets ignored..........
This_person
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Tommy's. His clear implication was that God could not exist because there is no where for Him to be before He created the universe. My answer stated that, from a human's point of view, there is no such thing as before the universe, because time, as we scientifically describe and understand it, would not have existed - the concept of EVERYTHING within our universe before 10e-43 seconds after the "Big Bang" is beyond our ability currently to understand, and there is no such thing as before the Big Bang, because time did not exist before the Big Bang.
Thus, effectively negating Tommy's "GOTCHA" attempt. Tommy merely reinforced that the origin of the universe had to, by definition, be something beyond the realm of understanding within the universe.
tommyjones
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there was no gotcha, the implication is still there. where did god get the stuff to create the universe and where was he when he created it.
besides, you are being obtuse, if there was a big bang, then there was obviously something before it. just because you start your clock at the big bang doesn't mean that nothing existed before hand, time, or matter, or energy.
and a theory about time being woven into the fabric of the universe is just that, a theory.