Court decides Child's name

[Cowgirl]

What about King Friday from The Neighborhood of Make Believe?

Correct as usual...

 

[Novus Collectus]

It does matter. You can't claim religious protection of the name if you don't intend it to be religious.

Once again you fail to grasp the concept. They do not have to claim anything in America and even if they did it could have been spiritually based on any level whatsoever. The onus is on the state.

We named him Friday because we like the sound of the name

Wow, and just why did they like the sound of the name? THey could have called the child Christ and said the exact same thing. YOur failure to understand is telling.

No, if a Satan worshipper wanted to name their kid Satan the courts would not approve because the name is silly in their minds. Period. End of sentence. You are claiming that the court ("the state") did something for religious purposes. However, the church had the opposite reaction. Therefore, church and state are separate.

The fact that the church is involved at all would be a violation of church and state in the US and the fact that the judge chose a religious name to honor a religious ritual is another violation if it happened in America.

Intent.

Are you being dense on purpose? Intent is only one aspect of this. Since other parents could choose the name for religious reason because it is a spiritual or religious name with a religious meaning should protect these parent's regardless. If it was America they should not have to pass a religious test in order to practice their right and the courts should not have even asked.
If I was an atheist in Italy and I wanted to name my kid Jesus, would it be ok if I was denied the right based on the fact that I did not choose the name as part of my religous belief? Should the courts even make me prove I have a religious intent or even ask?

 

[Novus Collectus]

So it would not be a church/state issue for you if they pulled out a baby name book and threw a dart?

That's the whole point. If it was America the court should not even have chosen the name for whatever reason in the first place and it is severely questionable if they could have even denied the parent's choice of name because it can violate both the freedom of religious expression as well as the wall between church and state.

 

[Makavide]

The fact that the church is involved at all would be a violation of church and state in the US and the fact that the judge chose a religious name to honor a religious ritual is another violation if it happened in America.

Am I missing something, other then the Baptism, at what point in the article did it say the church was involved?

 

[pixiegirl]

Off topic but not totally... I love the name Tuesday for a girl. January as well.

 

[ylexot]

Once again you fail to grasp the concept. They do not have to claim anything in America and even if they did it could have been spiritually based on any level whatsoever. The onus is on the state.

You're right. I fail to understand what you're saying. Sounds to me like you're saying that the government has to prove that something is religious (even if it is not intended to be religious) so that they can be prevented from being involved.

Wow, and just why did they like the sound of the name? THey could have called the child Christ and said the exact same thing. YOur failure to understand is telling.

Why do people like art? They just do. Get over it.

...or maybe they liked it because they are descendants of ancient Greeks who worshiped Venus and are subconsciously tapping into that knowledge that was passed on to them through their genes.

The fact that the church is involved at all would be a violation of church and state in the US and the fact that the judge chose a religious name to honor a religious ritual is another violation if it happened in America.

Let's assume that we had the "stupid name law" that the Italians have. If it was determined that the name given was due to religion, ok. That doesn't change that the name would be changed due to the "stupid name law". Can you provide me with a non-stupid name that does not have religion as the origin?

Are you being dense on purpose?

I was wondering the same thing.

Intent is only one aspect of this. Since other parents could choose the name for religious reason because it is a spiritual or religious name with a religious meaning should protect these parent's regardless. If it was America they should not have to pass a religious test in order to practice their right and the courts should not have even asked.
If I was an atheist in Italy and I wanted to name my kid Jesus, would it be ok if I was denied the right based on the fact that I did not choose the name as part of my religous belief? Should the courts even make me prove I have a religious intent or even ask?

No, because there is no religion involved in the decision that the name was stupid. That's the point. Your failure to understand is telling.

 

[Kyle]

Did Easy make the list in any year?

 

[Novus Collectus]

You're right. I fail to understand what you're saying. Sounds to me like you're saying that the government has to prove that something is religious (even if it is not intended to be religious) so that they can be prevented from being involved.

No, they have to prove that they have a right to prevent people from using a name and since they cannot prove it is not an expression of religion they should have no involvment. The parents should not have even been asked why they gave the name....especially since the name has a religious meaning in the first place and it should have at least been assumed.

Why do people like religion? They just do. Get over it.

Fixed.

...or maybe they liked it because they are descendants of ancient Greeks who worshiped Venus and are subconsciously tapping into that knowledge that was passed on to them through their genes.

First of all Venus is Roman, not Greek. Second, it has nothing to do with Roman or Greek mythology, it has to do with Freya.
Third, so why not? People can believe whatever they want and it is not up to the state (in the US) to determine which religious belief is "silly" or which names with relgious origins are "silly" either. TO deny these parent's the right to name they kid after the day of celebrating Freya, then they are denying the rights of Nordic Paganism worshippers who would wish to do the same the right because this judge has ruled that name "silly".

Let's assume that we had the "stupid name law" that the Italians have. If it was determined that the name given was due to religion, ok. That doesn't change that the name would be changed due to the "stupid name law". Can you provide me with a non-stupid name that does not have religion as the origin?

Scot

 

[jenbengen]

Off topic but not totally... I love the name Tuesday for a girl. January as well.

I'll take "off topic" instead of the debate going on.

 

[ImnoMensa]

Reminds me of a joke where the lady is lying in the hospital bed at the maternity room and when the child is brought to her she begins to cry. When asked why the tears she replies that she is crying because the hospital didnt wait for her to get to name her own child, they had names it for her, On the childs wrist was a bracelet that said Female Jones.

The mother cried and said the hospital had named her child FeeMolleee

 

[pixiegirl]

Let us pray....

I'll take "off topic" instead of the debate going on.

rain roll on, on down the line,
Won't you please take me far away?
Now I feel the wind blow outside my door,
Means I'm leaving my woman behind.
Tuesday's gone with the wind.
My woman's gone with the wind.

And I don't know where I'm going.
I just want to be left alone.
Well, when this train ends I'll try again,
But I'm leaving my woman at home.

(chorus)
Tuesday's gone with the wind.
Tuesday's gone with the wind.
Tuesday's gone with the wind.
My woman's gone with the wind.

Train roll on many miles from my home,
See, I'm riding my blues away.
Tuesday, you see, she had to be free
But somehow I've got to carry on.

(chorus)

 

[vegmom]

What about Wednesday Addams?

 

[pixiegirl]

What about Wednesday Addams?

People use to call me that when I was young and all punk rock/gothic. My, my how things have changed.

 

[desertrat]

They should have let it stay Friday and he could be a sargeant when he grows up.

 

[smcop]

I once asked a 14 year old young man what his middle name was. He told me and it was not a common name with common spelling so I asked him how to spell it, and he said he couldn't. Nobody ever taught him to spell it.

 

[Dymphna]

Try these on.

IJMC - Stupid Baby Names

Don't forget "Picabo" as in Picabo Street, whose parents refused to give her any name at all, leaving the birth certificate to read "baby girl." They finally named her when she was about 2, after her favorite game (Peekaboo) because they wanted to get her a passport.

 

[Dymphna]

I was just saying the Tribunal changed the name to Gregory for that reason. I know nothing about Italy's laws. The Tribunal chose it for that reason and because they felt it would bring the child more peace socially or some such mess and the Court agreed.

I'm not saying the law is right, but since it is the law in Italy and since the courts ruled the name had to be changed and since the parents refused to pick another name, the court had to pick something. :shrug:

The courts in Italy don't have to ignore the existence of religion, the same way they do here. Italy is a predominately Catholic country. Most dates of the calendar have a saint attached to them, so picking the one for the boy's birthday is as arbitrary a name as they could get. What's a judge to do, name the kid after himself?

I don't know what difference it'll make anyway, as the parents said, they will always call him "Friday." He will forever BE "Friday." Gregory only exists on legal documents.

 

[godsbutterfly]

rain roll on, on down the line,
Won't you please take me far away?
Now I feel the wind blow outside my door,
Means I'm leaving my woman behind.
Tuesday's gone with the wind.
My woman's gone with the wind.

And I don't know where I'm going.
I just want to be left alone.
Well, when this train ends I'll try again,
But I'm leaving my woman at home.

(chorus)
Tuesday's gone with the wind.
Tuesday's gone with the wind.
Tuesday's gone with the wind.
My woman's gone with the wind.

Train roll on many miles from my home,
See, I'm riding my blues away.
Tuesday, you see, she had to be free
But somehow I've got to carry on.

(chorus)

Ruby Tuesday? Not this song - I meant songs with the name Tuesday in it!

 

[aps45819]

They should have let it stay Friday and he could be a sergeant when he grows up.

There was a civilian working in supply on the base in Hawaii, first name was Admiral.
I'd duck out of work because Admiral Jefferson wanted to see me

 

[Dymphna]

Reminds me of a joke where the lady is lying in the hospital bed at the maternity room and when the child is brought to her she begins to cry. When asked why the tears she replies that she is crying because the hospital didnt wait for her to get to name her own child, they had names it for her, On the childs wrist was a bracelet that said Female Jones.

The mother cried and said the hospital had named her child FeeMolleee

I used to work with a woman who told me the woman in the bed next to her in the maternity ward named her child that.