DANG!!!

Monello

Smarter than the average bear
PREMO Member
The war is a stalemate. Save your nation by accepting a peace plan. Then get busy rebuilding. Otherwise there won't be much to rebuild.

As it is now, it's a meat grinder money pit. Only people happy are the M.I.C. and the dude that was getting his 10%.
 

LJ1999

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I wonder what Putin thinks about this.
I can't even imagine at the moment. He probably just had that big smirk on his face.

If he believes Trump is done with Zelensky, Putin might just move into Ukraine tomorrow.

I'm having mixed feelings on this "episode". It shocked me, so I know it was completely different than anything I've ever seen in the Oval Office, but I just believe Trump has his own methods of getting things done and who knows?
 

RoseRed

American Beauty
PREMO Member
I can't even imagine at the moment. He probably just had that big smirk on his face.

If he believes Trump is done with Zelensky, Putin might just move into Ukraine tomorrow.

I'm having mixed feelings on this "episode". It shocked me, so I know it was completely different than anything I've ever seen in the Oval Office, but I just believe Trump has his own methods of getting things done and who knows?
VZ is supposed to be on with Bret Baer tonight. That should be interesting.
 

LightRoasted

If I may ...
For your consideration ...


Now if, if they had come to an agreement and a deal/contract signed, for the minerals, does anyone think it would have held up? Zelensky canceled elections in Ukraine, so therefore, logically, he is not an official representative of the Ukrainian people and has no powers of state to make such deals. Someone correct me if am I wrong in my thinking.
 

glhs837

Power with Control
Did anyone catch what Zelensky said to make JD go off? I can only find a clip starting from there.....

Also, did the mineral rights get signed and then this broke out or is that what started it?

Yep, he said that diplomacy hasn't worked. The point that he missed, and Trump alluded to but not clearly was that the ONLY time diplomacy worked was when Trump was in office. The fact is that diplomacy only works when the other guy knows if the FA, they will FO. Putin didn't believe that about Biden or Obama, and he was right. Putin knows that Trump loves nothing better than handing out some FO.
 

vraiblonde

Board Mommy
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It's kind of hilarious that the progbots whine that Trump may not go when his term is up, then kiss the taint of the guy who *actually* cancelled elections and won't go when his term is up.

I hate Democrats. They're the worst. Please please please let this be the end of them.
 

SamSpade

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PREMO Member
It's kind of hilarious that the progbots whine that Trump may not go when his term is up, then kiss the taint of the guy who *actually* cancelled elections and won't go when his term is up.

I hate Democrats. They're the worst. Please please please let this be the end of them.
Article 19 of the Ukraine constitution says that while under martial law - "the following are prohibited:amendment of the Constitution of Ukraine;amendment to the Constitution of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea;holding elections of the President of Ukraine, as well as elections to the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, the Verkhovna Rada of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and local self-government bodies;holding all-Ukrainian and local referendums;holding strikes, mass gatherings and rallies."

I realize it serves him to stay President, and it's in his best interest to remain under martial law - but there's not a lot they can do while they're still at war.
 
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SamSpade

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Which explains why he's in no hurry for a peace deal.
I think he assumed that Trump was totally in his corner, ready to screw Putin in any deal, ready to offer whatever he wanted and all he had to do was sign a mineral deal. I think he thought there'd be guarantees of European peacekeepers, measures to make sure Russia can't just roll back in and so forth.

Trump plays hardball - none of that was on the table. And a good negotiator - ESPECIALLY when he has the upper hand - doesn't tip his hand and ALWAYS begins negotiation with the worst case scenario.

Trump isn't on a side, he just wants the war to end, he wants something in return for the money they've thrown away - and I think an unspoken part is, Putin is going to HAVE to relinquish something or they've essentially WON, attacked a foreign nation, captured the parts they wanted to keep and gotten away with it. In that respect, it's Austria and the Sudetenland all over again.

I think they should be satisfied with the Donbas region they had, Crimea and a guarantee that Ukraine won't join NATO.

Because it's impossible at this point to go back to the way it was.

On the other hand - if Ukraine is rebuilt and made prosperous - that could eventually work against Russia in the long run.
 

vraiblonde

Board Mommy
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I never thought Trump was attractive but I was strangely turned on by that.

He's no Pete Davidson but
paris hilton thats hot GIF
 

Kyle

Beloved Misanthrope
PREMO Member
Trump Hangs Up Sign In White House 'You Must Be This Tall To Receive Foreign Aid'

 

herb749

Well-Known Member
He was bitch slapped on live TV. Only the STUPID wouldn't support DJT now.
I suggest you look at the Sun board,the trash is melting down calling Trump a disgrace! LOLOLOL I wish there were still a draft and their asses are put on the line.

I keep telling No Joy he needs to put some skin in the game and sign up over there.
 
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