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BOP

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my-thyme said:
Looks like they did. Good for them.

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After Being Kicked Out of the White House, Ukraine Secures £2.26 Billion Defense Loan from UK to Keep War Machine Running | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hᴏft

In a dramatic turn of events, Ukraine secures a £2.6 billion defense loan from the UK, enhancing its military capabilities just after a contentious White House visit. This support highlights ongoing international commitments amid escalating tensions.
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I'll believe that when I see it.

Though the thought occurred to me earlier that that was exactly Trump's diabolical plan all along.
 
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stgislander said:
He's the Europeans problem now.
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It should have been that way from day one. The US should have sold weapons to NATO nations. Then they do whatever they want with them. Give them to Zelensky if you want. This way you have plausible deniability that your nation is involved in the conflict.

Biden just had the Ukranian military fighting our proxy war with Russia.

I guess with no mineral deal, the US is SOL with ever recouping the billion$ given away by slojo.
 
Hijinx

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LMAO He is still wearing the same shirt he wore to the WH.
A 2 Billion dollar LOAN, where is he going to spend it? I suppose he will buy some stuff from Europeans.
Depleting their already small stock of weapons, and bleeding them dry.
Well, at least he is bleeding them and not us. For a change.
 
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Monello said:
It should have been that way from day one. The US should have sold weapons to NATO nations. Then they do whatever they want with them. Give them to Zelensky if you want. This way you have plausible deniability that your nation is involved in the conflict.

Biden just had the Ukranian military fighting our proxy war with Russia.

I guess with no mineral deal, the US is SOL with ever recouping the billion$ given away by slojo.
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We already were SOL. That was a given from the start. Joebama got his cut though.
 
Bann

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Monello said:
It should have been that way from day one. The US should have sold weapons to NATO nations. Then they do whatever they want with them. Give them to Zelensky if you want. This way you have plausible deniability that your nation is involved in the conflict.

Biden just had the Ukranian military fighting our proxy war with Russia.

I guess with no mineral deal, the US is SOL with ever recouping the billion$ given away by slojo.
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I was wondering about that,too, but I'm not so sure Trump is done. He's always quite a few steps ahead of others. I guess we'll see!
 
Clem72

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Hijinx said:
LMAO He is still wearing the same shirt he wore to the WH.
A 2 Billion dollar LOAN, where is he going to spend it? I suppose he will buy some stuff from Europeans.
Depleting their already small stock of weapons, and bleeding them dry.
Well, at least he is bleeding them and not us. For a change.
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That's business as usual. If a country can't afford to buy munitions from you, and you want to provide them anyways but don't have the time or support to pass it in Congress/parliament/whatever you give them a loan and they use it to buy those munitions. Then a couple years later you forgive the loan quietly on page 306 of a budget or law that no one will read.
 
BOP

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Found this on my timeline:

Many of you probably watched what took place between Donald Trump and Zelenskyy. Whether you're a Democrat or a Republican, you might be thinking to yourself, Oh my God, Donald Trump just screwed up.

However, as a lifelong practitioner of martial arts, strategy, and philosophy, let me explain the difference between what you believe you witnessed and what actually happened.

Donald Trump has been under constant political persecution since the beginning of his first term. Over time, he has learned to be patient and calculated.

Zelenskyy was invited to the Oval Office. However, both Trump and JD Vance knew exactly what Zelenskyy was going to do—he would use this opportunity, in front of the American people, to make a power play. Both Trump and Vance anticipated this.

When Zelenskyy began appealing to the emotions of the American people, JD Vance stepped in, accusing him of disrespecting Donald Trump. This was brilliant strategy. It’s important to understand that Zelenskyy is trying to gain access to NATO.

Trump knew this but could not allow it to happen. If Ukraine joins NATO, the U.S. would be bound by NATO’s collective defense agreement—an attack on one is an attack on all.

Now consider the larger implications: Ukraine and Russia despise each other. If Ukraine were to become a NATO member, any future skirmish between them would obligate the U.S. to enter into direct conflict with Russia. This would mean World War III. And if that happened, China would have to choose a side—they would almost certainly align with Russia.

So what you witnessed was a setup. Trump and JD Vance knew that the only way to achieve peace was to strategically align, at least on the surface, with Russia. Why? Because Russia would never sign a peace treaty if Ukraine were admitted into NATO.

This is why Trump dismantled Zelenskyy’s argument. And when Zelenskyy, seeing his play failing, tried to backtrack and offer a treaty, Trump refused.

Zelenskyy’s real intent was clear—he would not agree to peace unless security guarantees were in place. But what was he actually saying? That NATO must accept Ukraine. However, Russia would never agree to peace, knowing that NATO, their historical adversary, would surround them.

Zelenskyy, Putin, and Trump all knew this. Zelenskyy, thinking he had Democratic support, believed he could make this bold move on live television. But Trump and Vance saw right through it and outmaneuvered him.

They knew that, in the short term, Democrats and the media would try to use this moment against them. But they also knew they had two years before midterms to prove their strategy was the right one. So they held their ground—brilliantly so.

Now, Zelenskyy will have no choice but to back down and accept Trump's terms. But here’s the genius part—Trump is actually protecting Ukraine without dragging the U.S. into war.

By negotiating a mineral deal, Trump ensures that Americans will be involved in Ukraine’s mining industry. This prevents Russia from launching an invasion, because attacking Ukraine would mean endangering American lives—something that would force the U.S. to respond.

Trump played both sides like a master chess player. In the end, Zelenskyy will have no choice but to concede, because without U.S. support, Ukraine cannot win a prolonged war against Russia. And once U.S. companies have mining operations in Ukraine, Putin will be unable to attack without triggering massive international consequences.

Don’t underestimate Donald Trump. In this game of chess, he’s 10 moves ahead of everyone.
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What do you think means more to Ukraine, arms or money? My bet is on the cash and that he sells off the arms to people send them back to the USA for use. Don’t be surprised if a 777 gets taken out by a shoulder fired missile.
 
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Merlin99 said:
What do you think means more to Ukraine, arms or money? My bet is on the cash and that he sells off the arms to people send them back to the USA for use. Don’t be surprised if a 777 gets taken out by a shoulder fired missile.
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There have been instances of provided weapons showing up on the black market, cartels and terrorist orgs.

… so at this point, I say **** ‘em.
 
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King Charles is getting ready to meet with Zelensky after the UK promised a couple billion in "loans" to Ukraine.

I wonder if he'll rescind Trump's invitation.
 
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So, I wonder if Trump knew/expected all along that Zelenskyy would be running over to the UK...and then PM Starmer would eventually/probably be announcing that The UK, along with other EU Countries would be working towards a Peace Deal, (and then would bring that plan to the US)?

If POTUS had great meetings with PM Starmer AND President Macron this past week - I cannot imagine that they were NOT all on the same page at that time! And it had to be discussed that Z-Dog would do the same thing he's done in the past...and then what they could anticipate POTUS doing to him in the Oval Office. Trump is the ONLY one of those 3 that would/could do what he did Friday.

Z-Dog didn't see that chess move coming at all!

I wonder what that meeting with King Charles is going to be about? 🤔

Enquiring minds!
 
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